What is CWB Acquisition Price?

[ianben]

YES!! Chas
A good idea but I see a world solution as the way to compete with globalisation.
Are there no US farmers willing to give us their point of view??

When are you attending that farmcorp meeting chas?

Regards Ian

[TOM4CWB]

Ian,

I find it interesting that canola is the most responsive and fairest market you sell to.

Please notice that the CWB does not have the opportunity to mess this market up!

I beleive the more monopolies mess around with things, the more complications and problems we will have in marketing our products. The same goes with governement interventions through subsidies!

We need clear demand signals from those consuming our products, if we are to efficiently and effectively use our farm assets sustainably and profitably!

[ianben]

Hi Tom
I think the canola market being relativly new just learned a few leasons
from the grain market when they started up.
The grain markets must change to meet modern technolgy and improved comunications.
We have revlolutionised the way we grow.
Now it is time to change the way we market. The technolgy already exists to allow the requirements and requests of the end user to be sent direct to farmers.
We should find ways to make this happen and give our customers a better service and us a decent profit.

Regards Ian

[chas]

Your right boys lets tell the government to get out of agricultural business. If they want food security for their country they can buy it and store it like very body else does or buy futures on the market. I'am sick of protectionist rules to protect everything and everybodies farmers, lets leave it to the markets to sort it out. I do believe now that it would be a more realistic agricultural world. Some farmers will sink but alot more will float with a realistic market. Theres more sinking under the system we have now. Chas

Ianben I decided not to attend the Farmcorp meeting I'm convinced Tom4cwb and Adamsmith are right. As for gobalization all governments have to get out of the farming buisness and create their own security by buying on the open market and not off the backs of their farmers. Its the only logical answer. Chas

[ianben]

Hi Chas
Sorry to hear you changed your mind about that meeting.
I admit I am sceptical about the need for $100 contracts and the just wheat idea.
But the facts and goals are very close to what I believe is true.
We have to start somewhere with a solution. If there was a meeting like this somewhere near me I would attend.
They might be genuine people willing to listen to improved ideas. They may be able to justify the $100. I find I usually learn something at most meetings. I learnt there are no rats in Alberta on this site from you. On the TV last night they said there are NOW 5 rats for every person in the UK. Yuk!! Think how much they must be costing us!!!
I am sure you would know a con-man if you met him what could you loose by attending.
THERE IS A SOLUTION, but I don't know how to get it started.
I had hoped the CWB might be the catalist, it is amazing how green that grass can look from far away,but it is obvious now it does not have the trust of all your farmers.
WHO WOULD WE ALL TRUST???
An independant farmer controled local web-site with minimal cost???
Giving specific common-sense marketing information which left the final decision to the individual but showed obvious benifts of acceptance???

Has any-body a better idea or solution?

Regards Ian

[parsley]

Ian, when you say, "I had hoped the CWB might be the catalist,", you probably well realize that will not happen. We cannot have a catalyst that results in government benefit. We do not trust, and with good reason. Conventional grain farmers do not make money these days.

You are right that farmers must take their own industry in their own hands. And make it work for them. But first we have to get control. Can't do anything until you have control of your own industry, right?

You seem persistent to make things work....every farmer could read a page out of your book and be prepared to look at new opportunities, Ianben.

The spring air is fast coming, the snow is melting and there is activity all around. What a nice time of year!
Parsley

[TOM4CWB]

Chas and Ianben,

I find it sad that trusting each other is so hard also!

This lack of trust is being being strengthened by the CWB which is so sad.

Rather than facilitating the needs of our grain industry they are the worst for partisan political games, and play us off each other!

In the long run they have made enemies of just about everyone unfortunately!

Now we have serious divisions everywhere and it will take years to mend these relationships.

How did the CWB end up this way?

What possible good can behaving in this manner do for the grain industry in Western Canada?

[chas]

I see in the Western Producer that
board chair Ken Ritter has said that the board has hired an independent consultant to come up with a generally accepted, unbiased way of determining which system puts more money into grain farmers pockets single desk selling of the open market. And the board is promising to live up to the results. We should know the answers this summer.
I trust you boys will be right under this unbiased opinion. Now how do we get all countries to stop subsidizing consumers(or should I say farmers). The field is dam lumpy. Chas

[parsley]

Chas, you can read a little about Gray...... the "independent consultant" the CWB has hired with your money,big bucks you can bet, under the thread benchmark.


You're on the land Chas? Any dandelions yet? Wine all gone?
Parsley

[ianben]

Hi All
At least the CWB has some sense. It has only appointed ONE independant consultant. If it had appointed 2 it would have got 2 different opinions.
How is someone suposed to determine such a question, which did come first the chicken or the egg?

If Chas is not going to a farmcorp meeting anyone else feel like going and giving us their views on the proceedings.
I would be espesially interested to hear what Tom or Parsley thought of the people trying to get this off the ground.
I know you believe you have to fix the CWB first but I have found solutions in the strangest places, usually when I am looking for something else.

So how about it anyone willing to attend a meeting for me??

Regards Ian

[parsley]

ianben, I'll call a guy and see if he's going to a meeting in his hometown. He'll give me a true report. Maybe they'll all decide to sell FOB from the farm.

Parsley

[parsley]

Happy St. Patrick's DayAgri-villers!

IanBen, Whether Farmcorp, or a Professional Marketing Farmers Association, or whether it's Producers Marketing Band,..... they all have the same problem.....

They can scout the markets....they can have the market in their hand..... they can bribe a premium market..... they can wine and dine the buyer.....they can can have a legal contract with the buyer living in HeavenPayingLanderville....

the point is they eventually either need an interprovincial license...or an export license. ....... the laws of Canada says that we cannot export without one.

At the present time, the CWB DENIES producers in Western Canada a license. The CWB denies the license. The CWB denies the license.

So what happens when Farmcorp gets farmers a wonderful deal...and we are denied a license? (In Eastern Canada, they are automatically granted an export license.) That's the problem.

The CWB is the problem.

Parsley

[chas]

Parsley doesn't anything run right over at your house. The only positive thing you ever did was dress your bride in white so your dishwasher would match your stove and fridge. Mash up some dandelions buddy you"ll feel better in the morning. Free advice giver: Chas.

[ianben]

Hi Parsley
A happy St Patrick's day to you too.
Do you have any Irish connectons?
I have just picked my daughter up from the airport, she now lives and works in Dublin, could be something to do with the Irish boy friend.
I love the spring too!!
I find I am full of energy and optimism at this time of year, and life is wonderful. Come November/December I just want to eat and sleep and feel pessimistic.
Perhaps I have some bear genes and should hibernate.
Does going south like Chas make you feel better in the winter??
Does that then make spring less speacial??
I have always fancied farming in Australia and having two springs/yr. A guy not far from me has done it. He farms 1000acres here and 5000acres not far from Perth. Lucky B.
Thanks for the help on farmcoup. I look forward to the report.

So what happens if we get a wonderful deal???
Well I think if you had a deal!!! the rest would be easy.
Everyone would want the CWB to change.
Governments can't happy spending tax-payers money trying to solve OUR problems and never suceeding.
All farmers would want the same better
deal.
Even the CWB might want to change then,
if it could see a real threat to its future. Sticks and stones will hurt my bones but WORDS will never hurt me!!!

But it might be too late then that would be up to you.
If we could just get ourselves even half organised we would be able achieve thing we only dream about today.

Do you agree this could be true??

Regards Ian

[parsley]

Ianben, I'm a Swede...not Irish...there is a meeting on the 20th I think I can get a report on it. Going to try.

Chas, things here are humming along really fine, but you should get pretty sore, no, fighting mad, over Board shenanigans, especially on St. Patrick's Day. The Irish would approve, lad. The bride in this house certainly does.

Parsley