C-282 An Act to Amend the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

[littledoggie]

This looks bad on dairy, especially in Quebec and Ontario.

https://dcs.megaphone.fm/CORU8766950907.mp3?key=724cc0ab94e10733d2595cf528f1addf&request_event_id=94941895-9db4-4ae0-98f8-ef5e167c62e2&source=3&timetoken=1730077125_7BF25848FED0745AA0BF3026EFA54E9D

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[farmaholic]

Some dumping might be on account of contamination.
My dairy neighbor says some of the dumping numbers being talked about might be from the chaos of Covid19. When things slowed down or shut down, dairy consumption would have fell. How long was the restaurant industry idled?

6ish dollars for 4 liters of milk at Regina Superstore, $9-10 For a beer at Mosaic during a Rider game.

Is there any guarantee of a steady reasonably priced supply of milk if SM was dismantled? I wouldn't want to do it for what they're getting paid today let alone possibly less.

Green and Charlebois talked about fewer dairy farms now than before, there is also fewer grain farms. Fewer of each type producing more, more efficiently. Seems most industries have undergone some consolidation. Where I farm was a hotbed of dairies in the past, small family farm dairies. We are down to two in the area now, both robotic, one has two the other one has one... so not mega dairies and both family run. Still looks like lots of work and still a huge commitment. I'll spend 6 bucks at the store for the 4 liters and be grateful they're willing to operate the dairy.

[wrongway]

Go to Wisconsin...buy milk butter and cheese...especially the cheese then get back to me on how wonderful our SM system is.

[goalieguy847]

Yeah man. I went to university in new york state ( upstate) . Travelled alot to many of those states in the area.
go to a grocery store and the dairy sections are twice what we have. Did anyone even know there are different kinds of butter than jist salted or unsalted!?

Listen. Dairy farmers work hard.
BUT do they work any harder if they had competition? No. Itd be the same. 1 would.probably fail though but then it wouldnt cost what.. 1.5 million for a 50 head quota?
just the quota.
do we have more incidence of dairy related food illness? No. Not per capita than any U.S state. Not really.

do we have more dairy choice?
no. Not at all

Do we use less hormones? Yes. Sort of. Estimated 20% of U.S dairies use artificial growth hormone ( which is banned in canada).

Do we pay way way way way way way way way more than pretty much any CONTINENTAL U.S state on dairy products when comparing price per gallon vs # of dairy cows per state...

NO.ACTUALLY WE DONT.


Alberta has roughly 121 000 dairy cows in 2023 and a pop of 4.88 million. Thats about 0.25 dairy cows per person and we pay about 1.50/ liter ( 5.67 per US gallon)here in alberta compared to new york states
625 k cows to 19.28 million or 0.32 cows per person and they avg about
5$/ gallon for milk...
so its all pretty relative ( new york is # 5 for most dairy cows)
but if you swing over to wisconsin their cost for milk is about half that.

The real difference for me is the price on after market products because we can ONLY make products out of pasturized milk. I cant go.to the dairyman down the road and get a pail of milk and make my own cheese or butter.
Thats where we can get double smoked becauss of our cost on butters and cheeses.

and the cost is astronomical to get into hence the " cartel" moniker attached to the dairy farmers of Canadas bosses ( saputo...etc)


heres my question.

IF you followed all the same rules and regulations you have now but opened up the quota system..
would your milk lose any quality?

no. it Would follow same rules and inspections.


Would Comsumer cost come down on dairy products?
probably.......

We think?

[farmaholic]

I wouldn't disagree that secondary processed products like cheese and butter are pricey. But I still wouldn't want to take a chance on supply with an open dairy market. My concern wouldn't be quality but supply then no guarantee the price would be cheaper. For assurance and security we might be best served under the current system.

As for the cost of entry barrier to dairy, how much capital is needed to own the assets required to make a living grain farming. Ya, it's staggering too. That has almost become a bit of an elitists game also, albeit nothing stopping anyone from getting into it.

[foragefarmer]

Dairy in Manitoba is family run farms keeping schools, rinks, and businesses open.

I've heard alot of negative chatter on Agriville about how BTO'are having the opposite effect in rural areas.

I highly doubt it comes down to the price of butter and cheese in grocery stores with this crowd.

[ajl]

I am skeptical about this report as well. My dad was a dairy farmer until his unexpected death in 2003 so I have milked cows. Dumping milk was unheard of even in the 1980's. My dad, like most dairy farmers, would cull to keep production down to quota levels. Right now with high cattle prices, I am sure that aggressive culling rather than dumping would be the order of the day. So this was likely a direct result of the covid madness and then I did hear of some milk being dumped. Gubmint, was and is, totally responsible for that fiasco. My dad was a fan of supply management, but I am not. When we were in Phoenix, back in February, 1 US gallon of 2% was $3.02 at Walmart. I check on cross border dairy because I grew up in the industry. If quota was removed, there would be different players in the industry and some new innovation.