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    the real "inconvenient truth"??????

    ASmith had this story buried deep in a thread below, if you did not dig down for it you missed a zinger by Steyn.

    I also read an article about these environmental extremists, i think Globe on the weekend, and how they are (Suzuki and Gore) giving young children sleepless nights filling them with fear about the end of the world as we know it. Seems that the hearts and minds of young children are also easy targets for their agenda. Alas, but as you see in the follwing article, there are commercial reasons for Gore to get up on the soapbox.....it is about beating the drum for his offset trading company...his solution to his own pollution......what a load of crap.


    March 4, 2007
    BY MARK STEYN Sun-Times Columnist
    Stop me if you've heard this before, but the other day the Rev. Al Gore declared that "climate change" was "the most important moral, ethical, spiritual and political issue humankind has ever faced.'' Ever. I believe that was the same day it was revealed that George W. Bush's ranch in Texas is more environmentally friendly than the Gore mansion in Tennessee. According to the Nashville Electric Service, the Eco-Messiah's house uses 20 times more electricity than the average American home. The average household consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours. In 2006, the Gores wolfed down nearly 221,000 kilowatt-hours.
    Two hundred twenty-one thousand kilowatt-hours? What's he doing in there? Clamping Tipper to the electrodes and zapping her across the rec room every night? No, no, don't worry. Al's massive energy consumption is due entirely to his concern about the way we're depleting the Earth's resources. When I say "we," I don't mean Al, of course. I mean you -- yes, you, Earl Schlub, in the basement apartment at 29 Elm St. You're irresponsibly depleting the Earth's resources by using that electric washer when you could be down by the river with the native women beating your loin cloth dry on the rock while singing traditional village work chants all morning long. But up at the Gore mansion -- the Nashville Electric Service's own personal gold mine, the shining Cathedral of St. Al, Tennessee's very own Palace of Versal -- the Reverend Al is being far more environmentally responsible. As his spokesperson attempted to argue, his high energy usage derives from his brave calls for low energy usage. He's burning up all that electricity by sending out faxes every couple of minutes urging you to use less electricity.

    Also he buys -- and if you're a practicing Ecopalyptic please prostrate yourself before the Recycling Bin and make the sign of the HDPE -- Al buys "carbon offsets," or "carbon credits." Or, as his spokesperson Kalee Kreider put it (and, incidentally, speaking through a spokesperson is another way Al dramatically reduces his own emissions), the Gores "also do the carbon emissions offset."

    They do the Carbon Emissions Offset? What is that -- a '60s dance craze? No, it's way hotter. I mean, cooler. All the movie stars are doing it. In fact, this year's Oscar goodie-bag that all the nominees get included a year's worth of carbon offsets. Totally free. So even the stars' offsets are offset. No wonder that, when they're off the set, they all do the offset. Look at Leonardo DiCaprio: He's loaded with 'em, and the chicks think he's totally eco-cool. Tall and tan and young and lovely, the boy with carbon offsets goes walking and when he passes each one he passes goes aaaiiieeeeeeeee!

    How do "carbon offsets" work? Well, let's say you're a former vice president and you want to reduce your "carbon footprint," but the gorgeous go-go Gore gals are using the hair dryer every night. So you go to a carbon-credits firm and pay some money and they'll find a way of getting somebody on the other side of the planet to reduce his emissions and the net result will be "carbon neutral." It's like in Henry VIII's day. He'd be planning a big ox roast and piling on the calories but he'd give a groat to a starving peasant to carry on starving for another day and the result would be calorie-neutral.

    So in the Reverend Al's case it doesn't matter that he's lit up like Times Square on V-E Day. Because he's paid for his extravagant emissions. He has a carbon-offset trader in an environmentally friendly carbon-credits office suite who buys "carbon offsets" for Al from, say, a terrorist mastermind in a cave in the Pakistani tribal lands who's dramatically reduced his energy usage mainly because every time he powers up his cell phone or laptop a light goes on in Washington and an unmanned drone starts heading his way. So, aside from a basic cable subscription to cheer himself up watching U.S. senators talking about "exit strategies" on CNN 24/7, the terrorist mastermind doesn't deplete a lot of resources. Which means Tipper can watch Al give a speech on a widescreen plasma TV, where Al looks almost as wide as in life, and she doesn't have to feel guilty because it all comes out . . . carbon-neutral!

    And, in fact, in the Reverend Al's case it's even better than that. Al buys his carbon offsets from Generation Investment Management LLP, which is "an independent, private, owner-managed partnership established in 2004 and with offices in London and Washington, D.C.," that, for a fee, will invest your money in "high-quality companies at attractive prices that will deliver superior long-term investment returns." Generation is a tax-exempt U.S. 501(c)3. And who's the chairman and founding partner? Al Gore.

    So Al can buy his carbon offsets from himself. Better yet, he can buy them with the money he gets from his long-time relationship with Occidental Petroleum. See how easy it is to be carbon-neutral? All you have do is own a gazillion stocks in Big Oil, start an eco-stockbroking firm to make eco-friendly investments, use a small portion of your oil company's profits to buy some tax-deductible carbon offsets from your own investment firm, and you too can save the planet while making money and leaving a carbon footprint roughly the size of Godzilla's at the start of the movie when they're all standing around in the little toe wondering what the strange depression in the landscape is.

    A couple of days before the Oscars, the Reverend Al gave a sell-out performance at the University of Toronto. "From my perspective, it is a form of religion," said Bruce Crofts of the East Toronto Climate Action Group, who compared the former vice president to Jesus Christ, both men being (as the Globe And Mail put it) "great leaders who stepped forward when called upon by circumstance." Unlike Christ, the Eco-Messiah cannot yet walk on water, but then, neither can the polar bears. However, only Al can survey the melting ice caps and turn water into whine. One lady unable to land a ticket frantically begged the university for an audience with His Goriness. As the National Post reported, "Her daughter hadn't been able to sleep since seeing ''An Inconvenient Truth.'' She claimed that seeing Mr. Gore in person might make her daughter feel better." Well, it worked for Leonardo DiCaprio.

    Are eco-celebrities buying ridiculousness-emissions credits from exhausted run-of-the-mill celebrities like Paris, Britney and Anna Nicole? Ah, well. The Eco-Messiah sternly talks up the old Nazi comparisons: What we're facing is an "ecological Holocaust, and "the evidence of an ecological Kristallnacht is as clear as the sound of glass shattering in Berlin." That 221,000 kilowatt-hours might suggest that, if this is the ecological Holocaust, Gore's pad is Auschwitz. But, as his spokesperson would no doubt argue, when you're faced with ecological Holocausts and ecological Kristallnachts, sometimes the only way to bring it to an end is with an ecological Hiroshima. The Gore electric bill is the eco-atom bomb: You have to light up the world in order to save it.

    ©Mark Steyn 2007

    #2
    Just watch a TV program here in UK where they invented a new word "GREENWASH"
    IE bullshit concerning green issues.

    Government, big companies, individualls all got the same treatment.

    First hear the green retoric then examine the facts.

    Government very poor on delivering any of its stated targets

    Extravagent claims made by BP and Toyota on their greeness. Even bio-fuel slated as more carbon poluting than fossil fuel.

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      #3
      What proof would it take to convince any of you that global warming is real and caused by man?

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        #4
        Actual uncontradictory scientific proof.

        The kind that got us from 2 plus 2 all the way over to equaling 4.

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          #5
          there is no dispute that climates change....and the changes may be accelerated or slowed down by human activity......but look at the motives of those who take the extreme positions of this debate...

          Gore is the founder and chairman of a company that stands to likely make massive profits if the world adopts the carbon credit trading model for dealing with managing and reducing greenhopuse gases....

          Suzuki makes his living off promoting his brand of environmentalism...

          I read an article on the UN scientific committee and the claim was that had unanimous agreement on the causes of climate warming before they even undertook the investigation....

          cp, you are not the only one invested in uranium and other sources of energy that will benefit from carbon taxes and greenhouse gas emmission reductions....i have made similar investments....

          there should be workable global policy that seeks to manage air quality, pollution of many forms...and yes, even mitigate rapidly rising levels of CO2 emmissions.....but not everyone agrees that Kyoto as proposed is the answer

          and the people pushing for it have their own selfish economic and political agendas in mind...I am not sure who to beleive on the subject myself

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            #6
            If you can prove to us that the world has never, I repeat never, been hotter than it is right now and all the warming has occurred in the last 107 years I might believe we are causing some small change.

            Then prove that the earth's climate has never oscillated up or down over the last million or so years.

            Then explain how 30? years ago the "consensus" (or sensationalist scientisists) decided that we were going into a deep cold cycle.

            Then prove that Al Gore and the Suzuki's of the world have nothing to gain from their actions. (Politically or financially)

            That's it. Look forward to your proof.

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              #7
              You know cotton, I too am not sure what to believe, maybe man is the cause, maybe he isn't, I've read many articles endorsing either position.

              But what I am absolutly sure of is I am sick and tired of fearmongers and their tactics. I'm tired of being told that I shouldn't go out in the sun because I will die of skin cancer, I'm tired of being told that everything I do is bad bad bad. I'm tired of these busybodys going around angry all the time demanding that I have to stop doing this and I have to stop doing that. Everybody needs to live the way they say so. I'm tired of watching commercials on TV that say we're going to die some horrible death if we don't do as they say. It makes me just want to do the opposite.

              I am so sick of this organized guilt trip these people are laying out there and I am sick of the hypocricy.

              I'm sick of the phrase "save the earth" or "save the planet". This planet has survived collisions with comets, it has survived ice ages, it has survived tectonic shifts of the earths plates, volcanos, hurricanes, tornadoes, fires, floods, droughts and tidal waves and even mans bloody wars. Yet mankind has thrived inspite of all this. I guess I believe we'll get through global warming (induced by man or not)

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                #8
                Cotten and gang like to control you and your behaviour.They know they're losihg the ability to control when,where, how,to whom you sell your grain.Thats small potatoes.

                With the enviro-crisis just think of the oportunity for power over the neighbours!Its better than a war!

                We can control everything from how hot the bathwater to whether you can continue to have an unpermitted pee on your favorite dandelion when you come in from the field at night.Controlling energy and we control every move you make.

                The power possibilities are endless,comrades,and of course once again its all because theres something much more important than you and your freedom.

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                  #9
                  Sorry sucksucker thats not what its about.
                  Global warming is real.
                  Its man made.
                  All the real scientists agree.
                  Their not even debating it anymore,just like their not debating if the world is round or flat.
                  This is a 100% fact.
                  The fringe groups sponsored by big oil is trying to change the facts but their not doing very well.Except here on angerville.
                  Go ahead keep making stuff up your only digging deeper to stupid-ville.
                  The rest of us with brains will keep moving forward and people like you will continue to be on the south end of the bell curve.Time will prove us correct in the end like it always has in the past.You are the people that were screaming the earth is flat,the sun revolves around the earth,man cant fly,oil will never be 50$,china will always be third world,etc,etc.

                  PERCEPTION AND REALITY ARE A BITCH

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                    #10
                    Adam i'm not confused.I know exactly what to think.

                    Silverback all that data you asked for is available.
                    The earth is warmer than it has been in 650,000 years.
                    The hottest 10 years have occurred in the past 15 years.
                    There are thousands of scientists who are very smart,who have spent their whole carears looking at this and they have formed a uniform concensous on this.
                    Everyone can go ahead and slander gore,susuki,and quote all the quacks they want,but your still all wrong,sorry for the incovenice.

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                      #11
                      CP When people start making claims that are demonstrably false, other people get their backs up.

                      You said “Global warming is real.
                      Its man made. All the real scientists agree.
                      Their (they’re) not even debating it anymore, …
                      This is a 100% fact.”

                      The simplest google search shows that statement to be an outright lie. When anyone on agriville point out any inconvenient facts which poke holes in that lie you bully and namecall. You never debate anything that refutes gorzuki’s claims, we just get the same “big green” dogma and ad hominem arguments.

                      Real science involves a quest for the truth. If science eventually proves the gorzuki right, I’ll be the first to jump on their bandwagon. Contrary to what you’ve asserting though, the debate is far from over. Bullying people who disagree is the realm of tinpot dictators, not scientific discovery.

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                        #12
                        You asked us what it would take to prove that global warming is a fact and that it is man made.

                        So please provide sources for your "proof"/"facts".

                        Thank you.

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                          #13
                          Calm down cottenPicker;I'm way ahead of you.This climate thing has real potential for us true Socialists to control everything;everything you do,everywhere you go.Laws,regulations,prohibitions.Huge taxes!Huge government.Just think of the possibilities!

                          AND,dare I say it,maybe even RATIONING!And all under the control of people like you and I.Smarter than everyone else.More caring for them and their children than they are.

                          But no need to get angry and call names comrade,as you did 5 times in only one posting.We will get this power.We know what is best.We will get them to believe like we did when they trusted us with their wheat for 60 years.

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                            #14
                            All the real scientists agree.!!!!!!

                            Sure they all agree they need more FUNDING to stop this potentional disaster.

                            YOU have had BSE. Less than 200 people have died of this, very sad, but not the millions scientists predicted.

                            Science lead scare mongering cost cattle industry millions all over the world.

                            But guess what they still need funding for more research

                            Just remember these scientists have to eat and have families to support so they HAVE to have a problem to solve.

                            Global warming, bird flu, fatty foods, antibiotic resistant super bugs

                            Personally I fear the effects on us and our future in the reverse order.

                            I think we will be lucky to make it to global warming!!!

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                              #15
                              Well cotton, here's 2 real scientists who don't agree! So I guess your incorrect when you say all real scientists agree.

                              Are Humans Driving Earth's Current Temperature Trend?
                              --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                              Reference
                              Khilyuk, L.F. and Chilingar, G.V. 2006. On global forces of nature driving the Earth's climate. Are humans involved? Environmental Geology 50: 899-910.
                              What was done
                              Noting that "identification and understanding of global forces of nature driving the Earth's climate is crucial for developing [an] adequate relationship between people and nature, and for developing and implementing a sound course of action aimed at survival and welfare of the human race," especially "in the light of present-day public debates on causes and ways of mitigation of the current global atmospheric warming," the authors "identify and describe the following global forces of nature driving the Earth's climate: (1) solar radiation as a dominant external energy supplier to the Earth, (2) outgassing as a major supplier of gases to the World Ocean and the atmosphere, and, possibly, (3) microbial activities generating and consuming atmospheric gases at the interface of lithosphere and atmosphere."

                              What was learned
                              After providing quantitative estimates of the scope and extent of these major forces on earth's climate - not only here but in two earlier studies as well (Khilyuk and Chilingar (2003, 2004) - the two researchers from the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles (USA) conclude that "the theory of currently observed global atmospheric warming as a result of increasing anthropogenic carbon dioxide emission is a myth," and that it has "proved to be an enduring one."

                              What it means
                              The take-home message of Khilyuk and Chilingar's analysis, as they describe it, is that "any attempts to mitigate undesirable climatic changes using restrictive regulations are condemned to failure, because the global natural forces are at least 4-5 orders of magnitude greater than available human controls." What is more, they indicate that "application of these controls will lead to catastrophic economic consequences," noting that "since its inception in February 2005, the Kyoto Protocol has cost about $50 billion supposedly averting about 0.0005°C of warming by the year 2050," and that "the Kyoto Protocol is a good example of how to achieve the minimum results with the maximum efforts (and sacrifices)." This being the case, they conclude that "attempts to alter the occurring global climatic changes have to be abandoned as meaningless and harmful," and that in their place the "moral and professional obligation of all responsible scientists and politicians is to minimize potential human misery resulting from oncoming global climatic change," hopefully by more immediate, rational and cost-effective means.

                              References
                              Khilyuk, L.F. and Chilingar, G.V. 2003. Global warming: are we confusing cause and effect? Energy Sources 25: 357-370.

                              Khilyuk, L.F. and Chilingar, G.V. 2004. Global warming and long-term changes: a progress report. Environmental Geology 46: 970-979.

                              Reviewed 29 November 2006

                              this article can be found athttp://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V9/N48/C2.jsp

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