Friday Cocktail and end of week discussion 2025

[TASFarms]

I'm thinking if someone's wheat protein is 14.5% plus or stupid high like 16%...
At 13.5 you'd think there may be some yeild left on the table(???), but 16%+ px.... I'm thinking the yeild curve maxxed out for that growing season.... more inputs can't replace rain!
If Px is 12.... the crop grew more bushels than available nitrogen...

I guess my point is what's the point of some farms shooting for the stars when they can't get past the moon!

The limiting factor here is "usually" moisture, so why fertilize for 100 bushels per acre if 99 times out of 100 I know its not attainable.

Know your farm's limitations, calculate the risk and farm accordingly. Spending money on Grand Slam crops in alot of areas would be a business model for failure. I'll stick to a budget that results in base hits and keeps me in the game. ....and hope for afew home runs along the way.

If moisture is the limiting factor quit using fancy types of acid treated phos (map,dap,power rich,alpine,mes. They mess the water cycle of the plant up. Cut down large salty Nitrogen applications. In biological world pulses are poor nitrogen fixers compared to cereals.

[13stripe]

Have a field I was going to seed to alfalfa, seeded winter wheat with no fertilizer in 2018, yield and protein indicated no yield loss, so kept seeding low input letting crop tell me when I should seed alfalfa. This last year just under 40 bushels adjusted for bushel weight of 65 pounds with 15.3 protein. Seeded back to winter wheat with no fertilizer again.

[SASKFARMER]

Yes for wheat 70 is the goal if it hits better that's ok also.

For canola its 50 and if it goes that's fine.

Peas we have out lived there life and disease is bad. So every 8 years works but excess rain in June hurts.

Malt paid good but you can't do the whole farm.

Its a tight year for sure.

But if you don't have goals why farm?

[fjlip]

Hearing MaltEurope will only buy Copeland in fall 2025 ...the old low yielder that falls FLAT!

Wheat had more potential than 70 last year but HEAT took bushels, but left 13.5 PRT.

Same with Canola, 15 bu/acre under 2023 here, almost $200 acre less gross.

Be really bad time this year to try sell equipment to farmers or auction your farm...unless something changes to rebound #'s.

[SASKFARMER]

Yep.guys are holding back and stopping all. purchases.

Line up in Yorkton today just posted its long

[farmaholic]

TAS,
The pulse to cereal fixing comment would need more explanation for me. Do you have any numbers comparing nitrogen fixation, removal and residual for peas versus cereal?

I would think Anhydrous ammonia would be cleanest regarding salt index but may come with other drawbacks in highly concentrated rows.

I get the feeling you may be an out-of-the-box thinker, which is ok.
Ultimately its net income per acre that matters, not gross. And if you can get to the same level of profitability, without spending the most money possible on traditional inputs, that's all that matters.

I guess the end result is no different except for the potential for mining nutrients of which any cropping system has potential for.

[Hamloc]

Hearing MaltEurope will only buy Copeland in fall 2025 ...the old low yielder that falls FLAT!

Wheat had more potential than 70 last year but HEAT took bushels, but left 13.5 PRT.

Same with Canola, 15 bu/acre under 2023 here, almost $200 acre less gross.

Be really bad time this year to try sell equipment to farmers or auction your farm...unless something changes to rebound #'s.

Yes definitely a change in income. 25 bushels per acre less canola here than last year. The math isn’t pretty.

[TASFarms]

The pulse being poor nitrogen fixers compared cereals. Is something that I’m tryn to get a better concept of. It comes down to plant photosynthesis and how much of that goes out the roots to feed soil life and how the plants farm the microbes. Most cereals have more leaf and roots to get that job done. Most peas grown are semi leaf less. Which seems counter productive if you need to capture sunlight.

Anhydrous ammonia what does it do to soil biology? Does it make it better or worse. 50# probably not to bad? 100#+ probably throws balance out.

I’m still learning and will probably be forever. Most products you buy at the ag retail will have negative side effects that require you to buy more of their products. Its just a game

I very much agree with net income
The end result may still be a bushel. Do you think the buyer would pick the higher quality more nutrient dense product. Or is a bushel just a bushel.
Selling to an elevator might not matter as much. Sell for feed and the guy buying comes back and says manure smell goes way down and grain fed goes down but weight goes on faster. Buys another load and pays alittle more.

[helmach]

Rhizophagy Cycle explained by Dr. White!

Anhydrous is very bad to microbes.

kills biology by increasing ph to over 9 temperarly.

knocks out calcium from soil profile, which drives out the oxygen making soils hard aand causes plant roots to suffocate.

Sterilizes soil


[url]https://youtu.be/yMr3_tGeAu8?si=GocmfDZD0DPpoXh9[/url]

[shtferbrains]

Haven't heard that story for many yrs.

Was common in the 70's and early 80's.

So common Les Henry did some research and tests on it.

That's probably why guys like SF3 are buying rippers now?

After 50 yrs of high NH3 rates their soil is hard and sterile.
Can't hardly get a crop anymore?

The main thing Les found was the story was promoted by people selling much higher priced, less effective products.
Often referred to Miracle in a bottle?
But also widely used in the US by liquid fertilizer distributors.
NH3 was sold FOB dealer yard there and was much cheaper than liquid.

[Old Cowzilla]

Its just grain guys trying to replace cow poo will try anything , anything to get away from fixing fences and chasing cows on sunday morning when you should be at the lake! Is liquid n any safer to use on soils compared to bulk or gas ?

[SASKFARMER]

My yields keep increasing since the 80s and anhydrous is part of our system since 1984 direct seeding, it works great.

We do a few other things but add moisture and compaction at driveways. Its all over western Canada every field shows it where guys fill

[Rareearth]

Ah ha moment,
that’s why they are making 700 hp tractors ?

[helmach]

No liquid n is not any better and yes anhydrous will sterilize soil of benifical bacteria/fungi. Take a strong wiff and report back to me on what it does to a 200 pound man. Now amplify that effect 100x fold to microganisms at a cellular level.

I'll ask you why do you personaly think cows are beneficial to soils? You will find our answers will be almost exactly the same! but the diffrence is we will use two different methods or vessels to achieve the same end result. Yours cow poop, mine compost extract.

Once you get out of the circle of buying a jug from Bayer to fix a problem yara sold you to maintain your yeilds, you will realize the con. Being convinced to pay to destroy the thing mother nature has created to sustain life and convert inorganics ions to organic ions. Soils are sterilized of the strains needed to complete Rhizophagy and to decompose organic matter ect to the point you need your synthetic n to grow weak struggling plants with little nutrition value. We are paying for our own problems. This also includes rrup and fungicides.

[helmach]

I have a peer who I consider to think outside the box like myself. He strip tills his flax and was faced with the problem of the standing flax straw like all flax growers are. He noticed when he bed some straw down to his pigs they were able to completely decompose and breakdown the straw in there manuer. So he took a handful of manuer to make compost extract and isolate out the bacteria and fungi decomposer strains that were in there gut to put in solution. He then sprayed his standing flax straw with the compost extract he made and walks in with his drill in the spring with zero issues direct seeding.