The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Fransisco]

Come one, come all to the first ever Agri-ville movie, featuring one of Cottonpicken's favourite topics.

This is the much talked about BBC docementary that aired last week.

It's clocking in at an hour and fifteen minutes. So pop some corn and snuggle up next to your monitor to see what David Suzuki doesn't want you to see.


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[Fransisco]

If you want to see it in a bigger window or download the whole thing to your computer go here...

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&q=the great global warming swindle

[Fransisco]

I must say I've lost some respect for Margret Thatcher after watching this.

[Fransisco]

And by golly I was so excited to get this posted I forgot to check my spelling.

Bad Frisco, bad.

[wilagro]

Fransisco: Why are you posting HTML to this text box intended for ascii? No wonder the site is so slow lately...with all this extra HTML posting.

For those of us who are not nerds, and especially for we users on dial-up, the slowness of the site is significant. I am sure that your peers recognize your expertise but it is not impressing me at the moment.

[cottonpicken]

Maybe i should talk about this before i watch it,oh wait that would make me look like an ass.

[cottonpicken]

Lots of sound bites and fast moving clips great documentry material, and some tim ball to boot.

More orwellian doubble speak than i've seen in a long time.

[Fransisco]

Wilagro, I can sympathize, everyone hates lag but I don't think I'm the culprit here.

I just tested a couple of the Agri-ville site threads on dial-up including this one and I'm not seeing the lag right now. Though I have noticed it while on high speed a few times.

It could be a result of too much traffic at times and the agri-ville server just bogs down with all the requests.

What have the rest of you noticed?

[Fransisco]

Obviously watching the video on dial up takes forever but if you back out of the thread onto the main page it stops downloading and you're back to normal.

[TOM4CWB]

Wilagro,

This "The Great Global Warming Swindle" was certainly an inconvenient truth... You did an excelent job of diverting our attention from the topic.

The internet has has massive power... and will continue to change the world.

I go directly to one of the most famous sayings in the last 2000 years...

"WHAT IS TRUTH?"

It depends upon who you are... and what your perspective is!

If you are being crucified for honestly standing up for those who need help and education the most...

Truth will appear very much different than for someone living in the lap of luxury... who can buy off their responsibilities with the profits of exploytation and deceit! THis "global change" movement certainly has all the hallmarks of exploytation, intimidation, and fearmongering, mixed with a small % of real issues that need to be tended to and resolved!

Fran... good post. What do we do now?

[Fransisco]

Here's another interesting item from a British newspaper.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Timothy Ball, a former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg in Canada, has received five deaths threats by email since raising concerns about the degree to which man was affecting climate change.

One of the emails warned that, if he continued to speak out, he would not live to see further global warming.

&quot;Western governments have pumped billions of dollars into careers and institutes and they feel threatened,&quot; said the professor.

&quot;I can tolerate being called a sceptic because all scientists should be sceptics, but then they started calling us deniers, with all the connotations of the Holocaust. That is an obscenity. It has got really nasty and personal.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Read the whole thing [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/11/ngreen211.xml"]here.[/URL]

[Fransisco]

Tom, truth is non-contradiction, if there are no contradictions in something it has no alternative other than to be true. That is why 2 2=4 it always has and it always will.

Truth is also dependant on context. Let me give you an example: A blood transfusion can successfully occur between two human beings.

True or false?

It's true if the blood types and Rh factors line up between the two people and there are no blood borne diseases complicating the matter.

It's false if any one of those(and possibly more) factors is different.

Truth is also testable and provable, scientists call it falsifiable.

For instance someone (let's call them CWB directors) can say that there is an invisible 25 lb elephant tap-dancing on your desk right now.

You say no there's not, I don't see any evidence. They come back with an 'aha !' you can't prove that there's not, therefore there could be, and I say that there is so you're just going to have to trust me.

This is the point at which most people back off and say to each his own or lets just agree to disagree and walk away shaking their heads. But they shouldn't because the onus is on the person making the positive assertion, the one about the elephant on your desk, to make the case, provide the evidence, and prove that they are correct. If they do not or can not then they are being strictly arbitrary and should be dismissed as such. The statement is not true, and they should not be let off the hook by attempts to reverse the onus. Unfortunately people fall for it all the time.

How many times have you heard wheat board directors talk about the 'book' that shows all of the sales that they all get to see but we don't and they follow it up with you just have to trust us. And the secret data sets in the board sponsored studies that again no one is allowed to see. Because they don't present their evidence they should automatically get disqualified.

And how many times have you heard choice advocates make the farm gate returns comparisons? The kind that anyone and everyone can double check.

Whose following the proper methodology and who isn't? It's pretty darn obvious.

The same is true with human-induced global warming.

[lakenheath]

Cottonpicken are you going to rant and rave and jump on the "Swindle" bandwagon now like you jumped on Al Gore's bandwagon. Or does Gore's conspiracy still have you brainwashed?

[mustardman]

Good Post Francisco, It is always good to here both sides of the argument.

[lakenheath]

Fransico where do you farm?