The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Fransisco]

Here's another interesting item from a British newspaper.

<blockquote>Timothy Ball, a former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg in Canada, has received five deaths threats by email since raising concerns about the degree to which man was affecting climate change.

One of the emails warned that, if he continued to speak out, he would not live to see further global warming.

"Western governments have pumped billions of dollars into careers and institutes and they feel threatened," said the professor.

"I can tolerate being called a sceptic because all scientists should be sceptics, but then they started calling us deniers, with all the connotations of the Holocaust. That is an obscenity. It has got really nasty and personal."</blockquote>


Read the whole thing [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/11/ngreen211.xml"]here.[/URL]

[Fransisco]

Tom, truth is non-contradiction, if there are no contradictions in something it has no alternative other than to be true. That is why 2 2=4 it always has and it always will.

Truth is also dependant on context. Let me give you an example: A blood transfusion can successfully occur between two human beings.

True or false?

It's true if the blood types and Rh factors line up between the two people and there are no blood borne diseases complicating the matter.

It's false if any one of those(and possibly more) factors is different.

Truth is also testable and provable, scientists call it falsifiable.

For instance someone (let's call them CWB directors) can say that there is an invisible 25 lb elephant tap-dancing on your desk right now.

You say no there's not, I don't see any evidence. They come back with an 'aha !' you can't prove that there's not, therefore there could be, and I say that there is so you're just going to have to trust me.

This is the point at which most people back off and say to each his own or lets just agree to disagree and walk away shaking their heads. But they shouldn't because the onus is on the person making the positive assertion, the one about the elephant on your desk, to make the case, provide the evidence, and prove that they are correct. If they do not or can not then they are being strictly arbitrary and should be dismissed as such. The statement is not true, and they should not be let off the hook by attempts to reverse the onus. Unfortunately people fall for it all the time.

How many times have you heard wheat board directors talk about the 'book' that shows all of the sales that they all get to see but we don't and they follow it up with you just have to trust us. And the secret data sets in the board sponsored studies that again no one is allowed to see. Because they don't present their evidence they should automatically get disqualified.

And how many times have you heard choice advocates make the farm gate returns comparisons? The kind that anyone and everyone can double check.

Whose following the proper methodology and who isn't? It's pretty darn obvious.

The same is true with human-induced global warming.

[lakenheath]

Cottonpicken are you going to rant and rave and jump on the "Swindle" bandwagon now like you jumped on Al Gore's bandwagon. Or does Gore's conspiracy still have you brainwashed?

[mustardman]

Good Post Francisco, It is always good to here both sides of the argument.

[lakenheath]

Fransico where do you farm?

[TOM4CWB]

Fran;

When discussing these topics... it is 87% about politics... 13% fact...

Perception is the biggest reality in the acceptance of either a theory... or a product... and even the 13% can be measured 3 different ways!

Logic and common sense are often the last things considered in... fad... get rich quick schemes!

[Fransisco]

I farm in southern Manitoba

[cottonpicken]

Interesting topic for today.
As were about to break a temperature record.

[cottonpicken]

Interesting topic for today.
As were about to break a temperature record.

[Fransisco]

What would be interesting would be an extended period of time when we don't break some kind of weather record.