Explain why our inputs are way higher than US farmers

[SASKFARMER3]

Ben hill you must have a crystal ball that you could read that Fert was going to go through the roof in CANADA
This post is the difference in Price between the two countries.
Not how we are at marketing.
Why are American farmers getting a deal and in Canada were getting screwed.
Yeah BLA BLA how you bought all your fert last fall and banded then have all your dry for spring.
So congrats your a really smart guy.
But the post is on the difference between US farmers pay and Canadian.

[cottonpicken]

Surprised?
On jan 20 my guess was 700$ by april 1.
I guess i missed it by a few weeks.

So needless to say i bought and binned 120% of my needs in october for 330 a ton.

[sawfly]

saskfarmer has a good point. this is a huge issue.
Maybe we have some political voice now , but that can change any time.

As group we have huge economic power. Sadly we dont use it.
Burbet is right in that , we are too busy fighting amongst ourselves to get anything done.

Instead every farmer should at least do one thing , that benifits us as a whole.

It may have been a pain for the few that brought in carloads of 46-0-0 thru FNA , a year ago.
As soon as it happened, the price dropped 50$ tonne for everyone.

the fert. chem .grain. rail companies are doing their job extracting every possible $ out of the market.(their managers would be fired if they didn't)

if the fert. co.s can gouge in canada and not in the states they will.

However you want to do it a co-op, corporation , We have to make competition where none exists, or we will be peons forever.

[sawfly]

So Benny what's your plan this fall?? You think you're going to see $350 by fall again?? See how well you do this year.

I bought all mine last fall also, but I know I'm screwed this fall. Because we will get offered a price in fall for $500 and will all jump at it.

[silverback]

That may be true cp, but in late dec or early jan you were expressing surprise at 46 prices in the mid $400's.

Whatever you say, you are still the smartest one here.

[wilagro]

I think that the "smart" ones are the ones "selling" the fertilizer.

If as farmer consumers/users and you're NOT buying from some sort of co-operative, then you deserve to pay more for ever and ever, amen.

[BennyHin]

Saskfarmer and Snapper:

If you re-read my original post, I mentioned "I was lucky this time, next year, who knows". That was the substance of my post. Even though you have all sorts of market information at hand via the internet, what do you do with it? Is it valid? How much of it is written by credible sources? There is lots of bad information on the internet.

As for your previous question, no I do not fall band normally, I went away from that 10 years ago. I seed direct with NH3 side-banded.

But I switched back last fall as the spring fert prices are becoming to volatile. This is unfortunate, as I do not like the effect of fall banded fertilizer on our waterways.

Snappy, as for my fertilizer recommendation for next year:

Lock it in when urea or NH3 are at 35 cents. I think this will happen between the last half June to the end of August.
Once the spring time demand decreases, the manufactures will still want to keep moving product during this period. With nat gas futures still low, they are still making lots at 35 cents. But they do not want to sell too much at this price level, as it will hurt fall and spring volumes at higher price levels.


But this prediction is way too far out to be too dependable, lots of weather and market volatility ahead of us.

As for importing N sources offshore to drive prices down, I don't think there is currently enough supply to do that.


Again, just my humble opinion.

[SASKFARMER3]

Here is something to also think about. Why hasn't the Fert used by the city folks for their lawn not increased or doubled in price.
Just ready to fert my front lawn next week and guess what its lower than I paid last year.
HA think about that for a while the urban consumer in Canada and the Us buys how much fert in a year.
As for information on Internet Ill be back from the relatives Monday down to ND on weekend Ill check.

[BennyHin]

SKfarmer:

But those urbanites sure pay lots for their roundup. Next time you re in a urban hardware store, pick up one of those 1L roundup containers and read the label.

It will astound you how much they pay (basis active ingredient).

It makes you wonder how the chemical companies calculate a reasonable retail "farm" price for inputs?

[SASKFARMER3]

Benny were again talking about fertilizer, but OK your right Monsanto has creamed the urban consumers with roundup line etc and they pay through the nose but my comparison is fert. No increase here yet were getting gouged.