CWB and CGC Grain Grading at Port....Gossip?

[charliep]

Parsley - So how does the industry do things differently - keeping in mind we are moving more and more to a bulk handling system based on concrete monster elevators and 100 car unit trains? Include other grading factors in the elevator system? Make the CWB a port buyer and the grain companies accountable for meeting contract specifications? Other ideas?

[TOM4CWB]

Charlie,

Remember way, way back, I mentioned something about the CWB at the elevator pit?

If we had a good testing system, and the CWB Knew exactly what each farmer had that contracted and delivered to them, exact quality specs, then the CWB would be able to demand this quality be delivered to our customers!

The system then could revert to contractual arrangements, the grain handlers doing what they do best, the railways doing what they do best, and the CWB only involved in selling this grain.

A commercial system, a responsible system, an accountable system!

Wouldn't that be something worth working for Charlie?

If this happened, it would even increase the value if my Canola at my farm gate because of the increased stability and customer satisfaction when buying Canola, Wheat, and Barley from Canada.

And that would be a good thing, RIGHT CHARLIE?

[prairiedog]

Methinks thalpenny doth protest to much. Rumour has become fact. In the Canadian grain system rumour and fact are often indistingushable. Charliep we have always had a bulk handling system it is just the scale of the infrastructure that has changed. You ask if there are any new ideas. There have been study after study, commissions, panels, reviews, you name it. The latest exercise was the Estey report which did infact recommend that the CWB become a port buyer and have no further role in transportation. The Kroeger process considered this idea. . The grain companies would have tendered for CWB busines at port,would have been responsible for transportation and getting the grain into the system to meet thier tender requirements. The idea seemed like a good one. The idea wasn't particularly new. This was just an idea that the Canadian grain system might move towards a more commercial system. The CWB and thier apologists adamantly refused to consider this approach. So much for new ideas.

[ianben]

Hi all
This sure is a busy thread!!
I know this is none of my business really but the excusses used for retaining this system of VISUAL grading must be outdated.
With modern technolgy the CWB or anyone else could have a database showing grade location and anything else a customer might want to know all with a couple of clicks on a mouse.
This must be the future don't you all agree?
It must be an advantage to know exactly what you have got when it comes marketing.
I sure like to know the quality of my grain. Pity the news is not always good.

The weather over here is very wet again as you will see if you get the Grand Natoinal horse race over there. The track is about 10 miles from our farm and they say it is the wettest race for years.
Most of our spring crpos are having to learn to swim.
Farming is a FUN game!! Perhaps I would have more luck will the horses if they would just jump a bit higher!
Mine fell at the third which is better than last year when it fell at the first.
Now you see why I am a farmer.

Regards Ian

[tpayne]

CWB and quality.An oxymoron.When our grain makes a sow vomit is when the CWB might get it.They just set the fusarium resistance fight back 3-5 years with this kernel-type paradigm.

[tpayne]

I make no apologies for supporting the KVD system - I think it has served farmers and their customers well and given Canada a competitive advantage in the past. I don't agree with tom4cwb that we have a reputation as being unreliable and inconsistent. Just the opposite.

And again, I point to who is leading the charge to have the discussion on changing the wheat quality system -the CWB, in cooperation with the CGC. And I also acknowledge that different farm groups and people have been talking about affidavit systems, etc. for some time.

Regarding a commercial transportation system, I think that everyone is hopeful that a full agreement will soon be inked. Over the year though, the CWB tendered weekly, and small players participated, and did very well in terms of boosting handling. The proof is in the pudding that the tender terms were workable. The big players made the choice not to participate. The CWb made contractual arragnements with grain terminals, direct with the Railways, and will have commercial contracts with grain companies. So welcome to the present on some of the 'gripes'.

To AdamSmith - if farmers collectively decide to end the monopoly, you'll be out. That is who has the power.

As far as I know, the FHB resistant CPSR variety HY644 may have some reconsideration for some type of registration. Don't forget who makes the decision on variety registration - ultimately the Cdn Food Inspection Agency on the recommendation of the Prairie Registration Recommending committee, which is breeders, grain companies, CGC, CWB, farm orgs and farmers.

Tom

[TOM4CWB]

Tom,

If KVD is so good, they why has eastern Canada disposed of it?

If KVD is so good, why is the "designated area" the only place on the planet earth that uses it?

KVD has served the CWB and CGC well, not western Canadian farmers!

There is a big difference, just talk to plant breeders trying to increase protien and special intrinsic values in wheat.

KVD doesn't work between CWES and CPS and triticale any more, you know that admit it!

KVD isn't in barley any more.

THe CWB knows change must happen, or the world will totally make our wheat industry irrelivant and out dated!

Tom, help us to change, wouldn't that be a better idea?

[parsley]

Brenda, you posted CGC's statement:

" The CWB has not had any customer rejection of sales or shipments.... due to concerns over falling number results."

note......SAYS REJECTION, NOT CANCELLATION

Meantime, the CWB's Weisensel states:

".. The net effect of this blending is that the FN levels......unloading at port are not meeting the quality expectations of customers."

So if the customer didn't complain, why is the the CWB saying the blending isn't what the customer wants?

Did you copy this right Brenda? Maybe The CGC and CWB needs to explain this more precisely.

Parsley.

[parsley]

Brenda, you posted CGC's statement:

" The CWB has not had any customer rejection of sales or shipments.... due to concerns over falling number results."

note......SAYS REJECTION, NOT CANCELLATION

Meantime, the CWB's Weisensel states:

".. The net effect of this blending is that the FN levels......unloading at port are not meeting the quality expectations of customers."

So if the customer didn't complain, why is the the CWB saying the blending isn't what the customer wants?

Did you copy this right Brenda? Maybe The CGC and CWB needs to explain this more precisely.

Parsley.

[TOM4CWB]

Thalpenny,

How much CPS gets blended into CWES because KVD does not work?

How much triticale gets blended into CPS because KVD does not work?

How much CWES gets blended in CPS because KVD does not work?

Maybe there is a good reason the CWB cannot get good prices for CPS and CWES, simply because the gluten and falling #'s are so irratic, because of KVD problems, that we are not selling a consistant good product!

What about solving these problems instead of just killing CWES because the KVD system doesn't work?

[wedino]

Thalpenny, Thalpenny, You state >if farmers collectively decide to end the monopoly, you'll be out. That is who has the power.<

I'll argue with you that this statement is false. Landlords are allowed a vote & landlords are not farmers.

Thalpenny, lets correct this wrong & let farmers & only farmers elect the CWB board of directors, let's remove landlords from the voters list.

Later..........Cam

[cropduster]

wedino,you`ve made a good point.Our employees take these little untruths and then distort the whole arguement.It`s our grain,why should we have to debate our employees about how to deal with our grain.Are these guys here to help us market our product or just to keep us fighting amongst ourselves?With us paying their wages noless!!!!!