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    #11
    Just like to add a comment or two about the so called poor managing farmers. In our neck of the woods those kind were gone long ago and in fact so are a lot of good managers as well. Take for example this year a farmer seeded 40% of his acres prior to May 22, likely will miss the frost but he screwed up and ordered too much rain let's say 4.5 inches 23 of May and since then about 5 inches more and has lost on average 30% of his crop on those acres, and remaining acres because it was seeded into cold ground and too much rain and minus 8 after seeded crop is only fair. His remaining acres most seeded after 10th of June, beautiful crop coming, but let's say 70% chance frost will get it either grade or yield and now after recent rain may loose a few acres. Now before the fall arrives who here would like to tell me when this farmer was a good manager and when he was a poor one. When he seeded before the 23 May 4.5 inches or after? It drives me up the wall to hear fellow farmers knocking other farmers as poor managers. The biggest reason we have these crap programs is those farmers who keep insisting that the other guys must be poor managers, then governments throw that back in all of our faces saying see even farmers are concerned that we don't want to have a good program because that .01% of farmers not planning well might get a dollar or two too much therefore none of you will have a good program and none of you will get much of anything.
    This is reality of Crop insurance in Saskatchewan. Most farmers good bad or ugly managers had in the last 5 years drought, hail, frost and now 2 and 3 years of flood loss. Therefore 4 years of basically 0 yield or very little. So because our insurance bases out of 10 years here is our coverage take the 4 years at 0 in the 10 years leaves 60%, premiums run about 10% so netis down to 50%, now we can only insure 80% max, so basically 80% x 50% leaves us insuring 40% of what a crop should be.
    So for those so wise as to put down their fellow farmers, what is your secret to order rain when there is drought, heat when it's going to freeze, dry when it rains etc, etc. and finally survive when you loose that 60% of acres to August 15 frost and the early 40% of acres turn out mediocre and you crop insurance is gonna give you 40% of what you need to grow to survive.

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      #12
      What if that farmer had nothing seeded until june 4, then decided to seed canola by plane, because he couldn't get on the land? Now say that canola is suffering because since june 4 it has rained twice a week. The canola is still barely visible, half the field there is none since it flooded, and half you might find a 3 leaf canola, yellow as i'll get out, and the size of a dime. As the farmer steps over the tiny plant to try and save it, his boots hit the ground and water spurts out everywhere. Disgusted, the farmer, who is now so friggin' depressed with 9 dollar canola looming, goes back to the house and lays on the couch again, cuz its raining again, and nothing can be done about it. Now bear in mind this is year two for said farmer. Is he a poor manager? His heart is breaking, his family life is tense, and there is no crop to look forward to selling. Worst of all, crop insurance sucks. He phones Ritchie Bros. and says forget it, while probably on the verge of the next several years being amazing years to be farming.

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        #13
        cwbcostsme$$$$,

        This situation you refer to should be proof enough that we need a true program that fills in the gap a real disaster creates in our safety net programs.

        I hope the Honourable Chuck Strahl can put together, with provincial co-operation, a compensation package for this type of disaster.

        Please write Minster Strahl, and your provincial ag minister; and explain the real need for this.
        Honourable Strahl has been trying to get provincial Ag ministers together to resolve and proceed with the Disaster Program Project! It looks like Alberta may be ready to move in this direction.

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          #14
          cwbcostsme$$$

          I really sincerely understand your situation, these MP's had better start doing less talking and get something done for situations just as you said.

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            #15
            Shucks guys, thanks! I do not mean to complain and such, but here it is: I am one of those guys who is the future, I'm 31, three kids, and I love to farm, I just have those "had enough" days, and last night after looking at my crops; DANG it sucks! I embellished about calling Ritchie bros., but some days you know?

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              #16
              mallee Crop insurance is also tied into our interest free cash advances and CAIS programing the Feds seem to believe that you must participate to be eligible under federal assistance programing
              carbon credits in Saskatchewan are verified using crop insurance numbers I don't know if there is an alternative.
              On our farm the fist 50% of coverage is obtainable and it seems that the premiums almost double for every 10% after that

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                #17
                Do any of you guys think maybe you should be seeding the land back to grass in some of these tough to farm areas? At least with grass you get a crop every year.

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                  #18
                  just_wondering: On our farm the fist 50% of coverage is obtainable and it seems that the premiums almost double for every 10% after that

                  that combined with the fact that crop insurance is supposed to be actuarially sound kind of indicates how tough it is and how few years you will get those incremental yields. triple the amount of premium you pay and compare that to your coverage and it will give a truer indication of the risk/reward relationship in the business of grain farming.

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                    #19
                    Grass is fine, but up until 2006, it was not a hard to farm area. It is a very productive area, which got way too wet, thats all.

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                      #20
                      RE grass. Forgot to say as well, that when you can't get on the land, you can't seed grass.

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