Fertilizer what if?

[Hopperbin]

Agstar we in Canada do not feed the world.
The CWB used to tell us that to make us feel better.
My guess that FNA is selling local made product now most likely true. As cheaper offshore product is moving further north taking sales away from Canadian Fertilizer manufacturs. That offshore stuff may be coming in so cheap that a shutdown is inevitable as a large portion of their production goes south across the border.
We are only a drop in this large bucket.
True a shutdown is not what they want, so our prices should come down. What should happen and what does happen can be two different things. I would prefer not to use lumpy fertilizer also, harder to auger and plugs up air seeder lines.

[GreenValley]

from what I read Producer paper, a group of 5 hutteries colony has 5 cargo of urea sitting in Montreal that is waiting to be tested and inspected. Other cargo shipping is on way to Peace River Coop. Maybe retailer may blend cheaper fertilizler into high price. Other wise price range may seen around 400 to 450 offshore urea price. Have not bought yet.

[bucket]

Food shortage? Good point agstar. But with the stocks building in grain I doubt anyone notices it is only on paper. The production and quality numbers don't tell me that usable grain is overstocked. The sad part is that the same people doing numbers on grain are very similar to the guys that figure house mortgages and ways to put a positive spin on it. Its all manipulation. Why do I mention this? Well how does statscan find 750000 tonnes of canola and more flax unless someone is fudging the numbers.Come february stocks will start to magically tighten up.

Fertilizer halfway around the world has inputs (natgas and labour) one tenth the cost of north american plants. This is why the NA plants have been moved around the world. Yara buying belle plaine may be a strategic move to eliminate production. Mosaic did it with phos in florida or one of those southern states. Now they can't re open them without a billion dollar re investment.

Less fertilizer, less grain, more starving. Is it the farmers fault. Not really but politicians don't really notice until they themselves are starving. Unfortunately by then it is too late.

[agstar77]

American farmers are in the same boat as we are with fertilizer prices. Farmers in South America are facing similar problems. If you don't think this has the makings of a real disaster, then you are living in a dream world. In the U.S. corn prices are collapsing with the fall of ethanol production. Will they be able to apply high price fertilizer?

[parsley]

snore, snore, dream, dream, wow, dream.

If the world is hungry, x y z African countries can be seeded down to crops, 24/7/365. Not even winter to stop them.

Feeding the world becomes a problem when you have slimy greedy gills trying to squeeze production into their fishtank because they think they'll get an extra feed. Pars

[Burbert]

Cut back, use less, grow a smaller crop, is the formula that is being forced on farmers, whether they like it or not, by high fert prices. Maybe it is a good thing of ag, price for food will have to rise. The consumer will squeal when cereal rises another 5 cents per box!