Clean up Ottawa!

[parsley]

And Adam has it dead on.

Any Canadian citizen still conscious, is fed up with handing money over to politicians so they can reproduce their term.

cluck, cluck, indeed.

[AdamSmith]

Nobody in the media is talking about this just yet, because their still busy wiping all the lefty vomit splatter up,

but even if Harper yanks this so it won't be voted on, his main goal is already accomplished.

No matter what there will be an election within 12 months and especially if Larry Curly and Moe convince the the GG to try and let them form a coalition, there will be one within 3 months. But that will never happen, a dozen or more of the least nutty opposition members will cross the floor instead of drinking Jim Jones's suicide juice.

So there will be another election sooner rather than later, and the only way the Libs can get enough money to fight an election is to do what they did this time,they will have to borrow it from a bank.

Before the banks would lend based on the $1.95 subsidy but they will see that if Harper does win again that subsidy will likly be gone so the risks would be to high for anyone to lend to the Libs,

So, no loans, no campaign, the Libs are already cooked. No matter what happens from here on in.

[agstar77]

Election and vote buying spending has gotten way out of hand.If you really wanted to cut spending reduce spending limits for all except the neo-cons ,who find a way around limits, and let the chips fall where they may. Reduce spending or reduce tax credits for off election time ads by political parties.

[agstar77]

How stupid are the Cons? Give the opposition a gun and tell them to commit suicide or kill th government. Easy choice. Now they want to form a coalition government. The Cons have received an early X-mas present. If they succeed Harper is toast.

[parsley]

A different Canada come Monday.

[bluefargo]

I agree with Agstar on this one

[AdamSmith]

Why would you say harper is toast?

Consevative voters love what he is doing.

Oh the opps will probably bring down the gov't but everyone is so **** sure the GG will allow the opps to try and form a gov't, but I wouldn't be so sure.

I give the coalition 3 months max before Duceppe stabs the Libs and the Dippers in the back. The we have an election, which coalition voters will dole out much harsher punishment on their respective parties than conservative voters will heep on conservatives.

But in those three months the dippers will have forced the coalition to cancel the 50 billion tax cut which will cripple the economy even more and the coalition will borrow 100 billion or so and give it to lord knows who in order to prpo up redundent jobs.

With harper this countries financial condition is still pretty solid compared to other countries but we will crash harder than most once the NDP are given some key economic portfolio's.

But on the bright side after the feb election we should have some clear sailing with fifteen or twenty years of consevative majorities.

[bluefargo]

Maybe I should clarify. I agree about the early Christmas present.
The thought of a liberal, NDP & Bloc government is frightening to me. But the conservative's hamhanded method of handling just about everything (including the CWB) is going to cost us dearly. Maybe a little finesse and cooperatoion might be in order for this minority government.

[AdamSmith]

bluefargo, this is the whole point of this engineered crisis,

these three parties will never be accomodating, and harper is seeing if this government can even function, well now we know it can't because the opposition don't care about canadians only themselves and their lust for power.

So give them the keys and watch them destroy the country and they won't be able to blame harper for it.

[bluefargo]

AdamSmith

Ofcourse you could be right.

Its not a foregone conclusion that the Gov. Gen. would accept a coalition proposal if it should come to that. But you never know. The other option is an election which nobody wants.
This may be the first time in decades that a G. G. has actually had to think and make a decision. Who knows what the outcome of that might be.

I don't think I can buy the argument that the 3 opposition parties will hang themselves should they happen to form a government. They are pretty like minded and thier staying power might surprize you. I just don't want to take that chance right now.

I'm probably naive but I like to think that the Conservatives could accomplish a lot right now. The Liberals are weak and the public has no appetite for an election. I repeat what I said before. I think a little political finesse and cooperation would go a long way.
To be honest I am tired of Steven Harper's chip on the shoulder approach. He's got lots of political smarts. I think the public would like to see him use them to get something done.

You've got to admit cancelling this program which pays - what is it? - a $1.75/vote has nothing to do with fighting the world financial resession.
It is a provocation and this is where I agree with Agstar. There was a Liberal hack on CBC tonight saying this possibility of bringing the government down has nothing to do with ending the payment to political parties. It's to do with thier dissatisfaction over Harpers's handling of the financial termoil.
B.S. I say. But its the type of argument that might work for them.

Another commentator said it was like throwing a political hand granade(sp.?)
into the opposition benches. I guess I want to see more action and less political games. Find another time to fight over taxpayer money going to political parties.

There are important things to be done right now.