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    The Tories made them do it

    http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/11/30/the-tories-made-them-do-it/#more-20899

    Andrew Coyne

    Well that didn’t take long. Barely three days after the Finance minister rose to deliver his annual fall update, it is all in the dumpster: the fiscal plan, the curbs to subsidies to political parties, the suspension of public employees’ right to strike, maybe even the government itself.

    And the settled wisdom of every single pundit in the country is that it is all the Conservatives’ fault. After all, they provoked the opposition beyond endurance. They made demands of the opposition that they could not possibly accept. How could Harper have been so reckless? What a toxic gambit! What a colossal miscalculation!

    Absolutely no one pins even a sliver of blame on the Liberals, the NDP or the Bloc. Of course not. Faced with the unreasonable and extreme proposal that they raise funds in the same way as the Conservatives have been doing for years — by asking people for their money, rather than taking it from them — they really had no alternative but to seize power. What on earth were they supposed to do? Revamp their moribund fund-raising organizations? Find a message and a leader capable of motivating large numbers of Canadians to click the “donate” button on their websites? Get off their collective duffs? What were the Tories thinking?


    No. No, the sensible, restrained, pragmatic thing to do when threatened with the loss of subsidy is to take down the government. The sober, reasonable, moderate thing to do in this time of economic uncertainty is to provoke a constitutional crisis — to cobble together a coalition without a prime minister or a program, propped up by a separatist party, and demand the governor general call upon it to form a new government, replacing the old one we just elected. It’s been six weeks, after all.

    Thank God that Canada has such statesmen in this time of peril, willing to put partisanship aside in pursuit of high office. What a contrast to those hyper-partisan, power-mad Conservatives, with their insane demands that the parties make do on the millions in tax credits and reimbursements they receive outside the subsidy.

    But what am I saying? Notwithstanding the hundreds of column-inches attacking the Tories for their intolerable affront to opposition sensibilities, it is important to remember that the opposition’s sudden lurch for power had nothing to do with the impending loss of public funds. No, the reason they are absolutely forced to defeat the government this time, having declined to do so over Afghanistan, or global warming, or budgets 2006, 2007 ot 2008, is on account of the fall update. Nothing bespeaks the fierce urgency of now so much as an annual statistical review.

    Again, the commentariat is as of one maddened mind. How could the government be so blind? Can it not see that unemployment has soared to 6.2%? Why, that’s four-tenths of a percentage point above its recent, thirty-year low. And what about Canadians’ fears of losing their home, what with the proportion of mortgages more than 90 days in arrears standing at an all-time record 0.2%? Okay, it’s an all-time record low, but still. When will it realize there’s a Depression on? Or coming? Or quite possible, certainly, in other countries.

    While this laissez-faire, do-nothing government contents itself with spending more than any government in the history of Canada — 25% more, after inflation and population growth, than at the start of the decade — and pumping tens of billions of dollars into the banking system, what Canadians demand is “stimulus.” And stimulus, we all know, in a sophisticated, 21st century economy, can be delivered in only one way: by hiring large numbers of unionized men to dig holes in the ground (see “infrastructure.”) Loosening monetary policy doesn’t count. Tax cuts don’t count. It only counts as “stimulus” if the government spends it.

    Or rather, it only counts as stimulus if a Liberal government spends it. The Tories have already promised to deliver billions more in “stimulus” in the next budget. But that’s, like, 58 days from now. We can’t possibly wait until then. We cannot wait to see how the economic situation evolves, or what effect the extraordinary series of measures countries around the world have taken to date will have. We cannot wait to see what the Americans will do. By then the polls might have shifted. By then the crisis might have passed. The government must fall now — so that it can fall again in a month’s time.

    Because, as absolutely everyone agrees, the Conservatives made them do it. Not that that had anything to do with it.

    CODA: To be clear, the opposition is entirely within its rights to defeat the government, and to request the Governor General to call upon them to form a government. And it is entirely within her prerogative to accept their request, rather than to defer to the Prime Minister’s apparent preference for dissolution.

    On the other hand, it is also within her prerogative to refuse their request. They have to show, at a minimum, that they can command the confidence of the House, that is to say that the coalition is stable and secure — which at this point is anything but certain. For goodness sake, the Liberals can’t even agree who should lead them, let alone whether and on what terms they can get along with the other parties.

    #2
    You must admit though that Harper's timing was way off. The man does not have a clue. The whole mess could have been prevented had Harper waited for a couple of months, at least until the next Parliamentary session.

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      #3
      It wouldn't have made a difference what Harper put forward, the separatist coalition was ready and waiting to strike the moment he opened his mouth.

      It could have been an official day to pet kittens bill and they still would have fired off their anti-democratic torpedo.

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        #4
        This whole mess could have been avoided if all parties were forced off of the public nipple years ago. As well the Block should never exsist as a "national" party at all, it is absurd.
        This reminds me of those grade school whiners who ran to the teacher every time they did not get their way.
        As for no economic plan, giving money to the brats(auto companies) as soon as they cry foul - that have no restucturing plan of their own would be disasterous for the whole economy. They must trim the fat first and reorginize much like the U.S. is forcing the auto companies to do, then talk about a bailout if that does not work. They(G.M., Ford, Dodge) have no one to blame but themselves.

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          #5
          OK.....let's get this straight. Harper cuts $30M in culture funding and he's a tyrant. The HRDC under Chretian loses $1B and he gets re-elected. Harper pushes to cut $30M in taxpayer funding to political parties and he's a tyrant. Under Chretian's watch, the gov't spends $2B on a gun registry that was supposed to cost $2M. Let's not even bring up the $1B liberal ad scandle. I have respect for those with an opposite opinion as mine but not when it's based on hypocracy.

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            #6
            I read an article many years go about the orderly breakup of canada to appease different spheres of power in the world.

            But i cant find the damn thing.

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              #7
              In other anti-democratic news unelected Elizabeth May now thinks she deserves a Senate seat. Just because.

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                #8
                I have a few numbers for you to consider from the last election before you call the Queen.

                Percentage of Popular Vote in 2008 election:

                Conservatives - 37.6%

                Liberals - 26.2%
                NDP - 18.2%
                Bloc - 10%
                Green - 6.8%

                Total of coalition supporters - 61.2%

                Voter turnout- 59.1%
                Percentage of total number of voters who voted Conservative - 22%

                That is not much of mandate is it. The reality is almost 2/3s of the voters who cast a ballot voted for the coalition parties.

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                  #9
                  The separatist coalition did not run in the last election. The separatist coalition got 0% of the popular vote and they won 0 seats.

                  The separatist coalition only came in to being yesterday. The election was 6 weeks ago. I realize socialists believe they can control everything including sunspots but you guys have yet to invent the time machine.

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                    #10
                    Chuck

                    You've hit a sore spot with me.

                    I,ve heard this tact many times and it bugs me every time.
                    The conservatives got 37% of the vote.
                    59 % of the population voted.
                    Therefore only 23% of the citizens voted for them.
                    BS! The only people that count are the ones that voted. Don't try to give the people that didn't a voice. They didn't vote - period!

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                      #11
                      if the "Separatist Coalition Party" think they have the support of the voters, then they should 'take it to the people', and have an election against the "Conservative Party of Canada". However they don't dare, they wouldn't even stand with their coalition brothers(The Bloc) today in the house when all the Bloc got up to applaud a segment of a speech that PMSH read that was given by the leader of the PQ ! lol

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                        #12
                        bluefargo,
                        Doesn't realy matter whether we count the non-voters or not, the popular vote of Conservatives is still a way less than the oppositions combined. If you have only a minority then the opposition can always outvote the government at any time. Canadians have chosen who they want in parliament. There is no need to go back to the electorate untill parliament has excercised all of its' options. I am actually hoping Harper will stay as he will be a rather sad lameduck and still get all the blame as the economy unwinds. He is basically in a no win situation. Did you see his face when the opposition started chanting leader when Jim Prentice spoke? He looked disgusted.

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                          #13
                          bluefargo,
                          Doesn't realy matter whether we count the non-voters or not, the popular vote of Conservatives is still a way less than the oppositions combined. If you have only a minority then the opposition can always outvote the government at any time. Canadians have chosen who they want in parliament. There is no need to go back to the electorate untill parliament has excercised all of its' options. I am actually hoping Harper will stay as he will be a rather sad lameduck and still get all the blame as the economy unwinds. He is basically in a no win situation. Did you see his face when the opposition started chanting leader when Jim Prentice spoke? He looked disgusted.

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                            #14
                            Tomorrow Jacques Parizeau,the separatist poster boy, is going to bless this unholy alliance. He's tickled pink that the Bloq, the separatists, get to choose who gets to be the Canadian Prime Minister and get final say on every piece of legislation.

                            The Liberals have bitten off way more than they're going to be able to chew on this one. Do they really think anybody is going to believe that they're not the separatists puppet's?

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                              #15
                              Franny yes

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