Tories 46%, LPC 23%,NDP 13%

[AdamSmith]

Yup this is going even better than I thought. Harper Majority by March

Breaking: New polls show huge Tory gains:
Ipsos: CPC 46, LPC 23, NDP 13, BQ 9, GPC 8
Ekos: CPC 44, LPC 24, NDP 15, BQ 9, GPC 8
Compas: 72% biz leaders see worse economy under Dion coalition


http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=1032813

http://bourque.org/notes.html

[freewheat]

Every time I have a lil bit of doubt about harpy, he goes and plans a move of brilliance.

I must learn to trust him more!!!

[parsley]

I've worked with Harper and he's a bright boy. Pars

[lesm]

master chess player-absolute genius

[Fransisco]

61% of Canadians oppose federal funding for parties according to Ipsos Reid.

Harper was bang on with that one too.

And in today's globe this gave me a chuckle,

" Mr. Rae is preparing a coast-to-coast campaign to sell people on the concept of a coalition. He said it is possible for Liberals to walk and chew gum at the same time. <b>At this point it is unclear they can do either"</b>.

[bucket]

As I said on a previous thread - sometimes you have to lose a battle to win the war.

Harper defined the liberals morality and their quest for power. He stated yesterday that he had backed off on the public funding of political parties. He even went furthur to say that he had the most to lose by doing so and the reason he suggested it was to show the canadian people that politicians do their share in this crisis. That the opposition made a big deal of it and then said it had more to do with "no economis stimulus" basically gives harper permission in the budget to cut funding to political parties.

The canadian public will give harper a majority and western canadian farmers marketing freedom for the 2009 crop.

What a great christmas.

Ralphie was on gormley yesterday - what a clown. He told the listeners they didn't understand the benefits of the coalition. Never mind ralphie that there are none. Talk about insulting te intelligence of western canadians that he would have represented.

[TOM4CWB]

Bucket;

Talk about a gamble... for Ralph... as he was one of the main architects of the Coup. I personally think Ralph is as responsible for this as were Jack and Gille.

Iggy... MUST be having nightmares... the ghost of Christmas future must be delivering lectures... last night...

Even more serious ...than that PM Harper got from GG Jean... yesterday!

To be a mouse under the Chair... to hear these 2 discussions... about the future of our nation... would have been be priceless!

[AdamSmith]

Uhm, guys my guess is they spent twenty minutes talking about this, and the rest they were talking about her trip to Europe and Harpers kids and Harpers son's hockey team etc.

Canadians citizens have made it overwhelmingly clear that we are the ultimate power in this country.

Not the GG, not Harper, Not political pundents, Not tenured university profs, and definitely not the three stooges.

And Canadians said LOUDLY that if there is to be a new government, it will be the citizen voter who decides that. And anyone who dare try to do otherwise will be punished with the ultimate punishment.

As for the Liberals, again most people can't see the forest for the trees. The question is NOT will it be Iggy?, or Rae?, or some other Liberal? Te issue is will it be Jack Layton?

[Hopperbin]

Question

Is it better to have a minority government that the people elected?

Is it better to have a minority leader in a coalition government, doing things that the people did not elect them for? Besides the chances this 3 way coalition would agree on issues was quite limited.

[agriman]

Wonder how many billion words have been blogged in the last 10 days about this attempted coup business. Here are some more, from Agriweek's backgrounder for Dec. 8:


A ***** is a *****. Her ministrations are available to anyone who pays for them. The Bloc Quebecois is the collective mother of all *****s. As for the NDP and Liberal johns, such is their consuming and uncontrollable lust that price is no object. For the *****, last week’s customer can get lost if a better payer comes along. No one has gone further at more risk to accommodate the Quebecois than the prime minister Harper, but now here are bigger and better johns.
Canadians alert enough now know what it is like to live in a country whose government is taken over by people not elected to run it. They should now see what sort has come to infest Canadian public life, what kind are paid from the public purse to be professional politicians. The intent of the voters in the October election could not have been more clear, given the limitations of a constitutional structure designed for two parties. What this NDP-Liberal-Bloc axis is doing is, if not technically illegal, utterly illegitimate and illicit. It sets not just a new low for chicanery and the opportunism of politicians but also dangerous precedents for the future.
The only person in Canada politically perverted enough to dream this up is our old friend Jean val Jean. With his bolshevik buddy Broadbent, he cooked it up and stuck it in the ears of the non-entities who are now to pull it off. This could just as easily have been done a year ago. It will be a disaster for them, but that and they are as nothing compared to the disaster for the country.
To the left-wing Harper-hating press this was nothing but a clever, perfectly-OK game. Liberal and NDP supporters in the media actually abetted and sanitized the subverting of the will of the voting people, putting the blame on Harper. Few grasped the real significance of it, how it evolved or what it means to the theory and practice of democracy in Canada. Fewer prominent figures or organizations were in any hurry to comment, a creditable exception being the Canadian Chamber of Commerce. This is the biggest political crisis since the FLQ and the only reason it is upon us is the delusional egotism of a handful of political hacks. This is no game. The public gets the government it deserves provided it votes it in. If a country gets a government that it has not voted for, the result can be reasonably called a putsch.
The whole thing could have been (and may yet be) defused by the Governor General. But this Governor General? Think Sarah Palin.
So here is the situation. The Liberal party received less support than in any prior Canadian election, ever, but it presumes that a midnight union with even bigger losers equals a mandate stronger than the Conservatives’, whose support increased. The Liberal leader was discredited by the voters and has resigned, before being ejected by his party, but now may be prime minister. Not a lame duck, a dead duck. How can Dion look in the mirror and possibly see a prime minister? By around May the Liberal party cabal will pick a successor, who according to the power-seizure plan could rule for years without facing the electors.
The NDP and the smirking, sneering Layton, who a few years ago lived in public-subsidized housing and a few weeks ago promised not to entertain any coalition because he would be prime minister, becomes co-prime-minister to the hapless, hysterical Dion. The unions have Layton in their pocket, Layton has the weakling Dion in his. Dion is trying to stuff the whole country into his pocket, and the treasonous Duceppe is helping him.
The positions of the NDP have only ever been supported by a leech-and-parasite fringe, but now it will be in the make-of-break position respecting the most important issues of public policy at the worst of all possible times for socialist experimentation. The real balance of power would be withy the Bloc, which exists solely for the purpose of destroying the Canadian federation.
Western Canada is out of the political loop for the duration. Half the country, the half that is its economic engine and the source of its real wealth, now will have next to no influence or credible representation at the federal level. There are just nine Liberal members from the west , and for a geographic balance they could all end up in the cabinet, exactly for the reason that they have so little popular support. It would be hard to find two qualified to sweep the floor. And, oh yes. The Decembrist conspirators, the plotters, may also get to stack the Senate, which has an unfortunate 19 vacancies.
If there had been, say, six Liberal members with the integrity to not want to be part of this, they could have made history by walking across the aisle. Or 11 could have decided to sit as independents. No such luck.

[AdamSmith]

COMPAS: CPC 51, LPC 20, NDP 10, BQ 8, GPC 6

I think we can still do better here,

I'm looking for the Libs under 20% and the Dippers under 10%

[mustardman]

I think the issues we can agree upon are:

Did we want the coalition to govern?
no

Under a constitutional democracy is this legal?
YES

Who was the architect of this Disaster?
HARPER

Would it be wise for Harper to fold his tent and ride off into the sunset?
YES

Will the cons gain seats in Quebec?
na na nana nana hey hey goodbye

Are there quiet rumblings and dissention in the conservatives over his leadership ? YES

[AdamSmith]

This just for you mustardboy

Uh! Yeah! The conservative will be quite upset with these numbers.NOT

COMPAS: CPC 51, LPC 20, NDP 10, BQ 8, GPC 6
By a more than 2:1 margin, Canadians call for another election if the choice faced by the Governor-General were between inviting Stephane Dion to form a government and hold a fresh general election weeks after the most recent one. That is the key finding from a national representative poll completed December 4, 2008.

If an election were held today, Stephen Harper would win a large majority based on nation-wide support of 51% compared to 20% for the Liberals, 10% for the NDP, 6% for the Greens, and 8% for the Bloc. Harper would sweep seat-rich Ontario with 53% of the vote compared to 24% for the Liberals and 10% for the NDP in that province and would surpass Dion in Quebec with 32% of the vote compared to 19% for the Liberals and 35% for the Bloc.

Key factors in this lightening speed transformation of public opinion:

66% of Canadians oppose the Bloc Quebecois having a say in who forms the government;

48% have confidence in Stephen Harper as Prime Minister in the current economic climate compared to 14% for Michael Ignatieff in second place, 11% for NDP leader Jack Layton, 8% for Stephane Dion, 4% for Bob Rae, and 3% for Gilles Duceppe;

54% believe that the Coalition's real motivation was a power grab while 28% perceive the Opposition as honestly believing that Harper is a poor manager of the economy;

61% believe that the Liberals, following their drop in support in the October election, should not be trying to form a government.
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[furrowtickler]

Mustard, your only battin .300 on your issues - the first two are hits the rest you struck out!

[agstar77]

How many of you want to petition the Pope to have Stevie made a Saint? Has a ring to it don't you think? L.O.L.