Agrium and the Others can kiss my ASS!

[agstar77]

We could go for the South American model where the input suppliers and Grain Cos. supply 40 % of the operating funds for the farmers. Then who are you beholding to? That is what you are asking for? Wouldn't you like Agrium holding on to your wallet? Farmers had their chance to have some say in the Fertilizer industry when the Pools owned Western Co-op Fertilizers. Well we screwed that up for short term gain, now we are paying the price. Now you want to put Humpty Dumpty back together. Well it won't happen. They will use the same method as the CWB debate , devide and conquer. The Smart operators, will wait till you lower prices by bringing in your own fertilizer. Then they will make deals with Agrium at a lower price , have the competitive advantage and put you out of business. That is how the open market functions like it or not . You can't have an open market for grain and then say you don't want the open market to function in Fertilizer. The truth sucks doesn't it S3?

[parsley]

Nothing wrong with pooling.

What you miss agstar,again, is that the people panting heavily in SWP, were pushing political fervor. Not businesss. It was a philosophy to them.

That's why it died. They were more interested in socialism than in doing business. NO one, and I mean no one sane, would have gone on the spending spree that SWP went on, unless it was spermed by ideological fervor. Pars

[agstar77]

SWP had a rogue CEO. He went all out to become the biggest without any thought to risk. I really don't see the socialist angle you are looking at. This has happened with numerous organizations. Ever heard of ENRON? Farmers lost control of the Pools and were sweet talked into believing they had to be huge to compete with the ADM's and Cargills. So they took on huge debt and lost sight of servicing their primary customer. Pretty much what is happening to some of the large companies that swallowed smaller companies with huge debt, TCK comes to mind. Maybe you should look at some of the former farmer directors of UGG and the pools and ask them why they sold out. I notice that some have been running in CWB elections, interesting.

[parsley]

My, my, my, I didn't realize that a rogue CEO could prop up directors on top of a padded chair and say, "Speak. boy, speak". "Good boy, good boy"

And is it Larry Hill and Ken Ritter that co-designed and c0-taught this CEO class to his single-desk directors?
pars

[parsley]

"huge debt and lost sight of serving"


lol

Now who does that remind you? Pars

ps think contingency fund.
think admin fund.

[agstar77]

Twist in the wind, grain farmers will be forever at the mercy of input suppliers no matter how they sqawk about setting up their own distributor. Those days are gone , as you have pointed out so many times.

[SASKFARMER3]

No Aglarry they aren't, If farmers would just once and for all get off their back sides and give up some pride and use some knowledge of whats going on out their they could set this up, with huge benefits. Yes the price would drop in Short term and we would loose some members but that's why its
$50,000 to $100,000.00 their committed. On our farm we have saved that on fall purchases already. So the cash is available. Funny thing were talking CASH Purchases from companies not letters of Credit etc. CASH IS KING. Yes some of the Thief's will disappear but what about all the farmers who have gone by the wayside because of this BS, oh well shouldn't the farmers for once gain control of their system.

[agstar77]

Those are commie thoughts S3.

[jensend]

heck, who knows then maybe you'll diversify your co-op to handle and ship your production? everything old is new again.

[Choice2U]

Buying groups, marketing groups....legislatively forced or based on CHOICE. Such a simple word not understood by simple people.