Closing down All Production For 2009

[Hopperbin]

There was no way that focus on Sabatical could have ever worked. But if enough farmers in western Canada did some somerfallow it would send a message to our fertilizer manufacturer not to gouge us. Perhaps 350 dollar 46 is possible yet. That is where I think our price should be at this time.

[SASKFARMER3]

Vwalk do you just not get it, I did all your talking about plus probably had lower cost of production than you. Its not my farm that I am concerned about, Ill survive just fine but what gets me is that most of you guys just don't get it. Fertilizer was way over priced, come on you think it should be where it was, their was no shortage etc. On seed increasing it every year and our yields stay the same or just a little better, again you believe this is good. Glyphos going back through the roof you like this I guess and on and on and on its all BS. This is the problem the industry knows for every one like me there is someone like you who just doesn't get it. You think Walmart goes to its suppliers and says OK your cost is going up Ill pay you for the product and pass it on. HA HA HA they cream their suppliers, We purchase from these thief's and then when the world needs food they say they cant pay for it. Come on get with the real world. IF we all didn't bitch that the price for fert was way to high compared to the world price do you honestly believe your pals at Agrium etc would have lowered the price for you. HA HA HA. Next thing is chemicals their over priced every single one, Their base ingredients are dropping yet price goes up. your friends at these places will help you too. Better phone Richie brothers their looking for a few good farms like yours next year.

[fjlip]

SF3 I have always answered surveys on the low side, but guess what I once heard? Stats Can is expecting farmers to low ball the numbers so they pad them up! No doubt USDA acts that way too. I feel we all lose price when too much supply is known. Uncertainty would translate into buy now for there might be none tomorrow. The infra red satellite images accurately give analysts crop potential baring frost or hail. It would be tough to keep production potential a secret. If we store grain they still know it's there, but need to pry bins open with $? Talk mail today, Viterra at $2 oats. Profitable but half last years net$/acre. Vvalk I have said same. The decrease in canola price is 8 times the increase at $1000 urea. Same for fuel. $1.20/ litre only added $7/ acre.

[skhadenuf]

Unfortunately hopperbin you're likely right about the sabattical thing not working.
As far as the pricing I know a lot of experts after the facts occur. In fact my neighbor, has a couple bins of high priced phos bought after seeding because of the great shortage coming next year, our local dealer conned him into. At the time I was admitidly almost envious he was in that position to buy so cheap compared to what price was coming, I was no expert just didn't have the cash, ironically thank God.
I also know some neighbors that locked in canary seed a few years ago for somewhere around 17cent mark, they lost their crop and nearly everyone else so had to fill their contract with 45 cent canary, they were done farming the next year, after 3 generations in that one move.
That's why we can't just sit here and not value our work if we don't nobody else is going to. If you're farm gets 40-50 bushel canola every year then life would be good, and I could see why you would not be concerned about changing things, and you would definately take advantage of the once in a lifetime price rise if you knew your guaranteed production was coming, but what would you understand about the real world for the rest of us that don't get 40-50 bushel canola every year. The people who are living the reality are the ones that need to try to find some solution. There is a reason the provincial average for canola is in the low 20's over the last 10-15 years.

[SASKFARMER3]

Boys I am just saying if they baffled us with BS the last few years for a small carrot and some of you believe in your own mind the system works more power to you but once just once think out of the box that's being created in farming and answer some simple questions did the prices that these guys were gouging us have any real value or like I have being saying all along their gouged us huge and well fitting their pigs at the trough. Yes you should see some of the satellite equipment that can tell what kind of combine is parked in your yard from space, but most of the people that buy our product aren't using this technology yet.

[SASKFARMER3]

good comments skhadenuf its like the guys who always grow these huge crops yet when its all over and done they really were just average farmers their whole life. Prov averages per distirict is a good indication of how things are. Combined for guys between Regina and Moosejaw a few years back who always told me about their expensive land and how much theiy grew , lets say it was a eye opener a real eye opener, I was very happy to farm where I do. Back to the original post, We as farmers either have to fight for our rights and quit taking what what the suppliers and buyers are dishing us.

[fjlip]

SF3 I have always answered surveys on the low side, but guess what I once heard? Stats Can is expecting farmers to low ball the numbers so they pad them up! No doubt USDA acts that way too. I feel we all lose price when too much supply is known. Uncertainty would translate into buy now for there might be none tomorrow. The infra red satellite images accurately give analysts crop potential baring frost or hail. It would be tough to keep production potential a secret. If we store grain they still know it's there, but need to pry bins open with $? Talk mail today, Viterra at $2 oats. Profitable but half last years net$/acre. Vvalk I have said same. The decrease in canola price is 8 times the increase at $1000 urea. Same for fuel. $1.20/ litre only added $7/ acre.

[vvalk]

SF3. talk about not getting it? You talk about fertilizer being crazy at $1000 a tonne. I priced some nexera at $18.60 a bus in March. thats not crazy. Woulld you buy $1000 fert right now if you still could sell regular canola for $17 or wheat for $12. $11 peas. Do I need to go on but hey I don't get it!

[parsley]

If you are able to muster the same enthusiasm for chasing dollars/bushel as you are for bushels/acre, in other words, chase dollars as opposed to yield, your postion will change dramatically.pars

[SASKFARMER3]

No I wouldn't because there was no shortage like they told us they got greedy and now were suppose to help them out, Ha Keep telling your self how smart you are that's good. Don't you like to make money Yes 18 for canola is good for my bank account for me and my family after years of no profit at all or break even or loose money, useless CASIP programs. But these guys got greedy and you believe its OK to pay them have a great day (Mr indepedent fert dealer).

[freewheat]

I'm glad vwalk, you were able to sell all your crop for 18.60 a bushel. Many of us were not stupid to not price much crop, but were chicken as hell to because we had pathetic luck for the previous, oh 5 years. I farm in one of the top yielding historic RM's, but from 04 to 07, we had crazy weather. i think most guys wish they'd have done more, but lately our region has gone from a sure crop zone with a 100 year excellent crop history, to a joke area. If I wasn't paying for the previous several years disasters, I'd be filthy stinking loaded right now, but I'm not. I could have grossed around 1000 bucks an acre based on the crop I produced this year, but I would have been finished had I priced and not produced, especially had the market stayed bouyant.

[vvalk]

Didn't sell much over $15, like everyone else, but that is the piont I am trying to make. SF3 says I don't get the big picture. The big picture is that everyone is bitchen about saving $30 on fert yet they ( and myself) lost $300 on marketing. Thats the big picture. And no I am not a fert dealer but would be a good idea to get 50% of your income from outside the farm. Gotta love the arrogance of SF3 that he gets it but no one else does?