Fertilizer with Snap and Vwalk

[SASKFARMER3]

Isn't it funny since fall I have been hammering the fert industry about gouging and world prices. Those who waited and watched saved thousands of dollars. Yet their are people out their who go hard on what I have been posting.(don't farmers like to Save money) Gee what a novel Idea instead of paying what the suppliers are asking. Makes me wounder when I discuss lowering our costs as farmers certain ones go hard on me. Lowering costs bad, paying way to much good. Maybe I am wrong and these guys have it right. But I for one haven't seen a successful business out their that over paid for their product and still were in business. Maybe for a short time but not for the long haul.
Fertilizer is needed by all that's a given. Amount used on each farm varies that's a given.
But when we as farmers have a price drop we have to eat the loss, plain and simple.
When we have a disaster we eat it plain and simple.
We are needed by the world to produce food but have little to no profit.
Yes the fert industry created the shortage, no extra demand ever existed, prices for our product increased and they increased theirs, That's fair in any market but then they went for the jugular and farmers around the world finally agreed that they were paying way to much. The price dropped.
But here is the funny thing about this. The big Fert companies instead of realizing what happened they told their customers that sold their product you deal with the losses on your own we will keep out profits. HM now we have the dealers in the middle getting hammered by us (farmers) yet who was to blame.
Simply put one cure for high prices is high prices just to bad the greed came out when we had our one day in the lime light.

[SASKFARMER3]

Or is the fertilizer discussion like the CWB. Some want all of us to live in bubble where we are all equal.
Equal price, for all no opportunity Just one big happy group.
Just have the CWB set up shop and handle the fertilizer, chemical seed and us farmers will sell all our product back to them.
Doesn't this sound a lot like RUSSIA!

[cottonpicken]

I think alot of overpriced fert was priced by guys.

More than fertbuddys polls show.

Why would those guys want to visit that site?

Does it matter that much come income tax time?

Should we all admit where were at in terms of price.

me

46-0 100%=490(couldnt get furrows460 price)
11-51 100%=790

vvalkin,you were "talkin about lockin" a while back,werent you?

[vvalk]

Cotton. not sure what you mean. lockin the grain bins or about buying fert. I myself bought 90% of my fert back in July of last year. Paid in the low $600. Don't regret cause at the time and most of the winter it was the right decision. Paid $475 for some 46 recently with dealer cost at $450. Is why I am finding SF3 $400 number hard to believe unless his dealer is selling at or under his cost. Also bought all my glysophate for 09 for $8 for concentrate last spring thru summer.As for grain have actually been selling into this canola "rally". Do you think we will get to $450 nearby? Have most of my crop on basis already so the only way for me to lock my bins is to phone my broker.

[vvalk]

Botttom line Sf3 is full of shit. The reason he won't give the retailers name is because they don't exist.

This is the same guy that backed out of all of his Canola seed in early Dec, and wasn't going to seed a week ago, that stated on this forum in Dec 07 that he was pricing new crop 08 canola for $9.50, but now says he priced it all between $14/16/bus(and if he wants to argue this I'll post his words) lost all his early buy discounts on canola seed, now bought all is 46 at 400/ton.(but won't give a retalier name because he'd look like fool) 3 weeks ago was going to start anhydrousing with a state of the art $80,000 rig made to apply in Dec. Had to rebuild the guts of a 9660 Deere for $50,000. Was going broke 3 years ago because of drought flood bla bla bla, now pays cash for everything.

Now I'll prove to you who the F^%&*#! liar is. SF3 posted this on Agriville a few days ago.

"I am doing OK for our area but hard work does pay off.
Now your comments are good, just good for what.
If your as smart as you say you and your genius neighbor with his 15000 aces and your 8000 should be able to get some sweet deals, But I think your all hot water and don't have what your talking about. Volume, Cash not Visa or on your credit line. And a friend of the family that owns the company, gets business done. But you would like it to be all equal like the CWB. Lets all sing cum-by ya and hold hands"

Now he posted this on Agtalk, an american forum.

Posted 10/14/2008 09:35 (#481990 - in reply to #481857) by saskfarmer3.
Subject: Re: What doesn't the American Farmer get?



Regina/Balcarres/Kamsack.

"Do you guys read the post. Most on here are talking how its OK to pay for over priced fertilizer and my comment is how can you pay for it at today's prices. It's jacked up because the Companies feel you guys will get support to pay for it. Yes Canada protects its Dairy industry which is in Quebec and Ontario. But out west their basically is no programs. Last year on my income tax form total was $8500.00 that's on close to 9000 acres. So no we don't have any programs. Glass houses give me a break. Also how long Can the US govt keep subsidising agriculture when they are close to defaulting?"


In closing Mr. Millionaire $8500.00 taxes on 9000 acres!!! Are you kidding me. I thought you told us last year you seeded 7500 acres??

We don't need your BS on here, just solid facts.

[SASKFARMER3]

Snapper here is the truth not some BS you spin. Re check your facts, I never said I paid income tax of $8500 I said the subsidy we got in Canada was 8500. The Americans are subsidised to the hilt and that hurts our farms. If you think that's OK good for you.
The canceling of canola seed got a reply within a week Viterra was at farm and worked out a deal for our farm. For Liberty 5440 and now it makes sense.
You were talking about your neighbor with 15000 acres and you going together, great maybe you can get a huge discount. It was you who mentioned this.
The dealer is a friend so yes the price is good and probably close to 40.00 a ton cheaper than Pioneer and Viterra. But what i am saying is ask push complain and guess what they might actually phone head office and get you a really decent price.
Walmart doesn't say whats your best price, then say is that the best and you sign push the buggers.
Any way keep telling me I am full of crap its fun really fun. Your a real class act.

[SASKFARMER3]

Also Snapper where the heck have you ever given one once of solid facts on any discussion. You get mad and take you wagon home.

[gregpet]

Still would be nice to know who the dealer is, just like fertilizer buddy. Are we here to help each other or just brag about our deals.

[vvalk]

SF3. If the $400 price is real then the family friend gave you a special deal that know one else can get. Why then do you post this price? All your doing is trying to show off but don't you think your friend will be pissed off that you let people know your deal. I am sure there are people ( neighbours of yours )on this site who know who you are so won't they want this deal from your friend/dealer?
On another note I would hate to be your supplier. dealers in my area would just quote you full retail and not care if they get your business. Whining and canceling orders. You can't get away with that over the long term. monday I am going into my local Viterra and telling them that farmers are threatening to cancel seed orders and headoffice is coming back to them direct to give them a better deal. I am going to make a complaint and ask if they will do that for everyone. If anyone here knows which Viterra outlet SF3 uses let me know.

[almoy]

Any country music friends on here? Do you know Brad Paisley's song "Online". I think it applies to certain people on here. It is easy to be anyone you want online.

If you read these posts for a time you learn which ones to read and which ones to just skip.

[SASKFARMER3]

Vwalk why are you so pst because of how I do business, isn't farming a business. We have suppliers just like walmart, don't we? Their in business to supply us with goods for which they get bonus for their volume, etc. Its a business. What my neighbors get is their business. Just like whatever you pay is yours. I am just trying to show you how their is benefit to ask and push and complain instead of just walking in and taking whatever they give you as pure 100% truth. Simply Viagra or Pioneer etc or Cargill need us as farmers and if we all just once agreed with a way to deal with them they would be at our mercy instead of the other way around.
Any way have a great day keep on posting.

[TOM4CWB]

SF3,

..."if we all just once agreed with a way to deal with them they would be at our mercy instead of the other way around."

A 'Monopoly' on the 'future'?

Who would be 'wise' enough to decide... what to demand?

Freedom to choose our own future... make our own decisions... beats 'collective' wisdom ... especially in areas where innovation is allowed to increase efficiencies/productivity!

USSR Collective farms... were a perfect example!

[classicalliberal]

I think that there is a conflict of interest when farmers want to collectively sell grain or collectively buy their inputs. I don't want to have a average price for inputs and I don't want to have an average price for grain. Let those who want to do that, do that, and those who don't buy and sell when and to whomever they want. I don't regret buying high priced fertilizer in the summer because my profits are locked in as much as they can be and that is all that we can do. Who cares if the price goes down.