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    #11
    Dude, the fertilizer price dropped by over 50%, just like grain. If it were not for competition and free trade, they would try to sell us fertilizer at the high prices but the demand isn't there at that price. If fertilizer costs more than the gains that it gives you, then you don't put it on, simple as that. This conversation isn't about fertilizer.

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      #12
      the fertilizer co's aren't doing anything different from past years - charging what they think the market will bear. every time there has been a grain price spike inputs have gone up quickly and fallen back slowly to maximum revenues under the new conditions. under today's market it's not gouging it's smart business. just like smart (somewhat lucky) marketers sold their grain in the top quarter or so of the price range last year. wasn't gouging was it - just what the market would bear?

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        #13
        The more competition that there is, the quicker the prices will align to where they should be. Unfortunately with the fertilizer manufacturers, there isn't much competition.

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          #14
          Our Local retailer is quoting $900 for Potash. We have been using potash in a fairly Substantial way for the last 11 years, but when I can buy 2 tonnes of Urea for every tonne of K. I have enough potash built up from our previous program that I would be crazy to use K I may as well bump up my Nitrogen.

          This is going to turn out to be a public relations nightmare for Mosaic. If this isn't a classical example of greed that I am sure in the long run will be a major set back for the company.

          Has anyone heard more aggressive Potash numbers? I think part of the problem is these retailers are full of expensive product.

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            #15
            the lack of competition is the biggest problem facing farmers today imho.




            TIME Magazine
            October 28, 1996 Volume 148, No. 20
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            THE FIX WAS IN AT ADM

            A RECORD $100 MILLION FINE FOR RIGGING PRICES MAY ADD UP TO THE END OF THE
            ANDREAS FAMILY DYNASTY

            JOHN GREENWALD

            No one expects Archer-Daniels- Midland to change its advertising slogan from
            "Supermarket to the World" to "Price Fixer to the World." But that sobriquet
            would fit in the wake of the agribusiness giant's $100 million plea bargain
            last week with the Justice Department.

            After years of denying any wrongdoing, the company pleaded guilty to conspiring
            to fix prices for the livestock feed-supplement lysine and for citric acid, an
            additive found in products from cosmetics to soft drinks. The $100 million
            fine, the largest ever levied in a criminal antitrust case, was more than six
            times the amount of the previous record settlement. Further, ADM will pay an
            additional $90 million to settle civil suits. "In essence, greed, simple greed,
            replaced any sense of corporate decency or integrity" at ADM, said Joel Klein,
            the acting Assistant Attorney General for antitrust.

            The plea bargain turned ADM (1995 sales: $12.7 billion) into an informer for
            the government. In exchange for immunity, company officials agreed to become
            witnesses against other firms under investigation for conspiring with ADM to
            rig prices in the $1.2 billion citric-acid market.

            ADM employees may also be called on to testify against their own, notably
            executive vice president Michael Andreas, 47, longtime heir apparent to his
            father, ADM chairman and CEO Dwayne Andreas, 78. Prosecutors are continuing
            their investigation of both the younger Andreas and Terrance Wilson, 58, who
            heads the ADM corn-processing division. Neither was granted immunity--meaning
            that both could face indictment. ADM said last week that Andreas was taking a
            leave of absence and that Wilson had decided to retire.

            Importantly, the Justice Department will not pursue a potentially larger case
            against ADM for fixing prices in the market for high-fructose corn syrup, a
            ubiquitous soft-drink sweetener. This $4 billion industry is nearly four times
            the size of citric acid, and some consumer advocates have charged that shoppers
            pay higher prices for soda because of ADM's practices.

            The Justice Department's case hinged on a company executive turned FBI
            informant, Mark Whitacre, who secretly taped meetings that allegedly included
            the younger Andreas, Wilson and executives of rival companies. "The competitor
            is our friend; the customer is our enemy" was a favorite saying around ADM,
            according to Whitacre. Such talk ended when the feds raided ADM's Decatur,
            Illinois, headquarters in June 1995. Although the company fired Whitacre and
            charged him with embezzlement, which he denies, and although Whitacre later
            attempted suicide, the case was strong enough to force ADM's directors to
            capitulate.

            The plea bargain was a public humiliation for Dwayne Andreas, a political
            insider who has funneled millions in corporate contributions to Republican and
            Democratic candidates. Andreas has particularly close ties to Bob Dole, who has
            used ADM corporate planes for campaign trips and vacationed with Andreas in Bal
            Harbour, Florida; Dole and his wife Elizabeth purchased an apartment there from
            Andreas. Dole has championed myriad agricultural subsidies that have benefited
            ADM. With Dole's support, Washington has paid out more than $6 billion in
            subsidies since 1980 for ethanol, the corn-based fuel that ADM makes; it holds
            a 65% share of the $1.5 billion ethanol market.

            Andreas had to face down a shareholder revolt last week at the ADM annual
            meeting in Decatur. Declaring that "as Harry Truman said, 'The buck stops with
            me,'" the chairman apologized for the scandals. Nevertheless, the settlement
            put paid to an era at ADM, which Andreas and his family have dominated for 30
            years. It appears unlikely that Michael Andreas will ever succeed his father.
            "Even if this is not the end of ADM," says a close business associate of
            Dwayne's, "this could well be the end of the Andreas reign."

            For the company, last week's penalty represented little more than peanuts--or
            soybeans--and was a good deal, considering that ADM benefited financially in
            the form of higher prices. The company has $1.3 billion on hand to pay
            inconveniences like a $100 million fine. ADM's stock even rose $1.13 a share,
            to $21.75, on news of the penalty--which Wall Street had expected to be much
            higher--and finished the week at $21.50, raising the company's market value
            some $500 million. By that accounting, it can't be said that crime doesn't pay,
            only that it is a cost of doing business.

            --Reported by Sally B. Donnelly/Washington and William A. McWhirter/Chicago

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