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[haveapulse]

Thanks hopperbin, appreciate the support. It does seems the farmers like the idea but as always the critics are first to the plate.

When I was in India in November they were buying 4$ peas from the Ukraine, Canadian farmers here were asking 6. Fall contracts for Yellow mustard in the Ukraine are being suggested at 15 cents a pound. I note these numbers because these farmers are your real competition.

The world is our backyard, and we are worried about whether the plant will be in my backyard, or yours.

The reality is if a plant is built in anyones backyard, from this fund it benefits indirectly everyone when any amount of product is not shipped out as a raw commodity. It changes the marketplace to a local market. A plant needs commodities everyday. A local plant does not shop the world for the cheapest commodity to fill the demand,
a local plant buys on a local market.

But, yes I do plan for a value add project to be in my community, and I have made that clear. We have a committee to build crush bio diesel plant and yes if the fund becomes reality we will apply.

The initial idea was to take the funds to start a fertilizer plant so hopperbin, coal vs natural gas would need to be compared. Thanks for the info.

I guess I was hoping that Agriville would provide a litmus paper for the idea, and a grounding point.

Today in discussions it was suggested that due to the variance in dollars (some stand to get up to $60,000 was noted) that a shareholder structure be set up, although the shares would not be tradeable, the can be allocated, so in event the fund investments pay off and dividends can be paid, and in event one day the shares become tradeble they can become a tangible item.

Everyday we give money to investors to trade on our behalf, to companies we likley know very little about (I note that some of you may not do this but I do with my RSP fund!) maybe the rest of you did better on your shares that I did, but quite frankly some of us have lost more in off farm RSP investmetn that risking this newfouund money in this fund on the hopes that it could work, looks quite appealing.

Quite frankly, the time has come to maket things happen for tomorrow. My generation has not built a darn thing really, our parents did, what indeed is our legacy, other than I note survival which indeed is in itself noteworthy, but really what is our legacy to the future?

Pray tell.

Our farm like yours hopperbin will not live or die on the money if it is not returned to us, and I like you would like to drive by some BRICKS and MORTAR and say farmers investment fund help to build that there.

[Hopperbin]

Havapulse I like the idea of Patronage Dividends where if you buy the product you get a proportionate share in the profit. If you don't use say the service of a fert. plant that is your choice. If you use it you are entitled to a dividend if the economy permits. Certainly in todays climate we would all benefit from a fert. plant weather we use it or not.

[haveapulse]

Agstar77, to answer your question, the reason why I am so passionate about value add is from a simple idea in 1982 that was then a seed plant predominetly we have created value.

Western Grain Trade is doing quite fine, Thank you for asking, we are the first rung of the value add ladder, now it is time to build another step up.

You see AGSTAR the real value of Western Grain is that it has taught me the value of value added, the reality of how much of a challenge it is but that can be done (where there is a will there is a way). But for the industry the real value it the fact that processors across Sasaktchewan like me, have given producers a window on the world at a grassroots level that no other commodity was willing to do, we meet your buyers and your competition on a daily basis and we learn we need to do better.

And you just want to be rude.

[haveapulse]

A fertilizer plant indeed is a good place to start as we all use fertilizer. We all complain about gouging, so here is an opportunity to build our own plant.

I will type up this proposal for the trade groups consideration with a copy for the governments, and the media. If anyone wishes to help drop me an email and we can work on this together.

I will advise on the reception I get from the trade groups.

However I note, the critics tend to be more aggressove that the supporters!

[gregpet]

How about they just reduce the freight rate next crop year to reflect the 59 million and keep the money out of all the lawyers hands and any administration?

[haveapulse]

Certainly that has merit, and you are right it has less adminstration.

However I guess the broken record that we need to play over and over in our head is; if it goes out in a hopper car as a raw commodity we are only helping the railroard.

If it goes out in a tanker car as oil, and the meal in a pellet for feed, we have created jobs; helped ourselves with a value add market, created jobs for our community and yes, (we cannot avoid them in any scenario) helped the railroad, too.

[cottonpicken]

So say 100 million dollar fertilizer company and then potash of saskatchewan is only 270 times bigger than you.

Hopper and have apulse are going to make us all rich.

One knows about seed cleaning and one knows about coal.

Just give me my money einsteins,pars was right.

[cottonpicken]

I cant beleive nobody else is saying anything to these two.

Lets make our own shoes and socks while were at it.

What about strawberries!!!!

We all use that stuff.

We can have shares.

I hope siberia doesnt start growing wheat,i better rethink my cropping plans this year.

[agstar77]

You are the one who is rude when you deify The Just Us Farmers and their fairy tale. Everyone should be aware of the slant you come at things from. As long as we know where your bias lies all your suggestions are fair game. Value added is fine , the application is the problem. When farmers stick to a small scale operation things are usually fine. Problems usually occur when ideas of grandeur set in. There are exceptions but it is a venture capital world. 60 million wouldn't go very far. I like cotten's lobbyist idea.

[gregpet]

I agree with the value added concept, but as cp mentioned $60 million even used as a down payment for a $200 million will not get it done for everyone. No, you cannot please everyone but which industry or market do you choose? I don't/cannot grow pulses or any type of quality durum so putting my money into any of these industries will not benefit me as much as someone who grows pulses or durum. Don't let administration eat this money up, lower the freight rate.