Read this you Pro-socialist CWB commies

[chaffmeister]

Burbert:

I didn’t call anybody any names (well, ok – I asked dmlfarmer if he was the frikkin’ boogie man, but that really doesn’t count because I just asked him if he was the frikkin’ boogie man, I didn’t actually call him the frikkin’ boogie man. I admit it’s a nuance yet it’s an important distinction).

Even so (I'm sure you were referring to the "Pro-socialist CWB commies" label) - sorry for potentially hurting your feelings with particular names and/or labels that you may have found offensive. But if the shoe fits.....

Signed,
A redneck backwards lacky kissup hillwlly (whatever that is)

PS – how do you feel about the millions lost/taken from the pool accounts by the CWB?

[checking]

What makes you such an ardent CWB supporter Burbert? I think everyone on this site has a motive behind their views on the CWB that allows them to position themselves somewhere on the line between "let me to hell out of this system" to your "ardent supporter position". Would you explain your motive? My motive for wanting out is quite simple. The CWB will return to me only an average price. Average farms may survive on a CWB pay, but they will never have the opportunity to leap forward like they could have had in a 2007-2008 season.

[classicalliberal]

Fact of the matter is that if you like things like the CWB that takes your property away in a totalitarian and coercive fashion because you like the idea of equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity, then you describe the label of Pro-socialist CWB collectivized communistic farmer. If I called you a stupid butt-face then I would be calling you names. If you try to take my property without asking and using an immoral law to back you up then you are a STUPID-BUTT FACE. The law should be on my side about the CWB confiscating my property.

[wilagro]

What does it say in the CWB act that defines "confiscating" property? That has to be one of the dumbest things that I have heard for some time.

1 : to seize as forfeited to the public treasury
2 : to seize by or as if by authority

Nobody is "seizing" your property that you sell willingly. Does the government or CWB come out to your farm and forcefully load it up and haul it away? They never "took" my grain.

Idiots, ALL.

[Fransisco]

No one sells "willingly" willy and you know it. You sell to anyone other than the board and you wind up in a 4x8 cell learning to play the harmonica.

Your oil just ain't reaching the dipstick like it used to anymore willagro.

[parsley]

The CWB has a stauatory responsibility for issuing national CWB export license.

If the CWB passed a Board motion tommorow, a policy motion/an inhouse motion, and that motion was passed:

"Moved from here on, that any farmer in the province of Ontario will NOT be issued a CWB export license."

Now, wilagro, what do you suppose the effect of that motion would be? It would mean that Ontario farmers' grain could only be sold inside Canada.Feedlots etc. Use your own questions when you mull it around in your head.

Pars.

[wedino]

Or how about this motion, Parsley.

"Moved from here on, that any one exporting wheat from Ontario or Quebec shall pay $5.00/ MT to the CWB before an export license is issued".

[jensend]

you'd have more chance of getting rid of the cwb if you cut wheat acres by 90% for a couple years. as long as you make this heroic stand that it's your right to grow wheat and your right to market it for yourself they've got you. if there's no wheat because the cwb makes growing wheat untenable then maybe you could make your point. you keep on making the same arguments that haven't worked in the past - what makes you think they'll work in the future?

[checking]

Burbert, is classicaliberal correct that your motive for supporting the CWB is that you like the equality of outcome rather than the equality of opportunity? Or do you use that argument when your real motives are like a couple of neighbours of mine who have the NFU membership card and, therefore, philosophy that the CWB has to be maintained. That I can accept because its everyone to their own poison. What I can't accept is that one of them is an organic producer who receives special priviledges from the Board to sell his grain across the border, and he is deathly afraid that if all farmers had his market access we'd somehow destroy his advantage. The other neighbour is a seed grower with even more special CWB priviledges who in 2007-2008 sold his entire surplus seed wheat crop that he normally would have hauled to a Canadian elevator for Board price, several semi-loads, to one American farmer. It was a variety that U.S. farmers do not grow, and it soon showed up at the local U.S. elevator. Both the seed grower and the U.S. farmer pocketed several additional dollars per bushel. So Burbert, what, if any, is your underlying motive for being a CWB supporter. I'd truly like to know to understand where you are coming from.

[parsley]

You ask why would I ..."keep on making the same arguments that haven't worked in the past - what makes you think they'll work in the future?"

The answer is this.

I believe most people,not your kind, but most, although inherently filled with self interest, inevitably make attempts at being fair.

Fairness is reflected in our society and measured in our society by ongoning stability, the ability of people to feed themselves, and how many knock at the door, trying to become a member of our society.

How many knock on Cuba's door? How well fed are North Koreans? How stable is Chile?

For the same reason as North American Indians wanted to be able to enter a beer parlour in the fifties, were rebuffed by your kind of reasoning, but continued pressing on, and finally were able to enter a public establishment ... well, jensend, that's a typical reason why I think a Designated Area farmer will some day be able to market the grain he grows.

Whatis happening is plain wrong. btw, I really don't expect you to understand.Yoiu've made it plain you don't want to. Because you think you'll get more money.

Self-interest.

Parsley

[highwayman]

Wilagro
The CWB has been confiscating your grain since 1943. If they take away your right to sell the fruits of your labor to the buyer of your choice, what would you call it, a gift from god?? Your even dumber than we gave you credit for.

[jensend]

parsley i wonder if you understand half of what you read. i'm saying your strategy/tactics haven't worked. if you don't change you're not likely to succeed. go ahead and make some dramatic sacrifice like running the border but did it work? not so far and it's been a long time. when the other side is holding all the cards you maybe have to change the way you play the game or walk away. you don't want to walk away you just seem to enjoy banging your head against the wall. isn't the definition of insanity continuing todo what you've always done and expecting a different result?

[parsley]

This is the point you want to argue.

"if there's no wheat because the cwb makes growing wheat untenable"

This would be the coroallry:

"if there are no pubs because Racial Restriction makes Pub businesses untenable."

That is not the pointI am trying to make.And don't try to detoura principle.

The prinicple is the grain is mine. I get to sell it.

The principle no race should be excluded from a pub.

I can understand why you have difficulty with principles. When all is said and done, the modified regulations, the notations, the ANCILLARIES, all the bullshit, jensend,it boils down to principle.

And some folks are too bloody greedy to admit it.

Pars

[charliep]

jensend

Perhaps you have defined the grain industry in your definition of insanity (it goes both ways as I look at the operations side of the CWB). I look at the canola as different model and see creativiy at levels of the supply chain and from there increased competitiveness internationally and domestically.

The more this debate (noting this thread has lots of posts and others that involve marketing alternatives or specific ideas have limited participation) I see, the more I think the solutions lay in a change of governace for the CWB. I note two documents that provide direction for the CWB.

http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/hot/choice/harvesting/pdf/harvesting_opp_0806.pdf

http://www.agr.gc.ca/cb/index_e.php?s1=ip&page=ip61030a

[jensend]

parsley i wasn't arguing the principle; i was arguing the strategy. if you understand or remember what i've posted you'll know i think the cwb should not be compulsory. but in order to get rid of it you'll have to change your strategy. you've been making the same arguments to the same people for how many decades now and nothing has happened except the cwb has tried to respond and damaged itself (beyond repair)in the process. you have had the satisfaction of blowing off a lot of steam but that has not been productive.

charlie i think most of what's happening in agriculture in canada is insane. we've moved away from concentrating on producing food to conforming to a production model that is more focussed on inputs than what is produced. the rationale of what is happening is certainly not predicated on economics.