Read this you Pro-socialist CWB commies

[highwayman]

Wilagro
The CWB has been confiscating your grain since 1943. If they take away your right to sell the fruits of your labor to the buyer of your choice, what would you call it, a gift from god?? Your even dumber than we gave you credit for.

[jensend]

parsley i wonder if you understand half of what you read. i'm saying your strategy/tactics haven't worked. if you don't change you're not likely to succeed. go ahead and make some dramatic sacrifice like running the border but did it work? not so far and it's been a long time. when the other side is holding all the cards you maybe have to change the way you play the game or walk away. you don't want to walk away you just seem to enjoy banging your head against the wall. isn't the definition of insanity continuing todo what you've always done and expecting a different result?

[parsley]

This is the point you want to argue.

"if there's no wheat because the cwb makes growing wheat untenable"

This would be the coroallry:

"if there are no pubs because Racial Restriction makes Pub businesses untenable."

That is not the pointI am trying to make.And don't try to detoura principle.

The prinicple is the grain is mine. I get to sell it.

The principle no race should be excluded from a pub.

I can understand why you have difficulty with principles. When all is said and done, the modified regulations, the notations, the ANCILLARIES, all the bullshit, jensend,it boils down to principle.

And some folks are too bloody greedy to admit it.

Pars

[charliep]

jensend

Perhaps you have defined the grain industry in your definition of insanity (it goes both ways as I look at the operations side of the CWB). I look at the canola as different model and see creativiy at levels of the supply chain and from there increased competitiveness internationally and domestically.

The more this debate (noting this thread has lots of posts and others that involve marketing alternatives or specific ideas have limited participation) I see, the more I think the solutions lay in a change of governace for the CWB. I note two documents that provide direction for the CWB.

http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/hot/choice/harvesting/pdf/harvesting_opp_0806.pdf

http://www.agr.gc.ca/cb/index_e.php?s1=ip&page=ip61030a

[jensend]

parsley i wasn't arguing the principle; i was arguing the strategy. if you understand or remember what i've posted you'll know i think the cwb should not be compulsory. but in order to get rid of it you'll have to change your strategy. you've been making the same arguments to the same people for how many decades now and nothing has happened except the cwb has tried to respond and damaged itself (beyond repair)in the process. you have had the satisfaction of blowing off a lot of steam but that has not been productive.

charlie i think most of what's happening in agriculture in canada is insane. we've moved away from concentrating on producing food to conforming to a production model that is more focussed on inputs than what is produced. the rationale of what is happening is certainly not predicated on economics.

[chaffmeister]

Jensend:

On the one hand, you say “you've been making the same arguments to the same people for how many decades now and nothing has happened”

And yet on the other hand, you say
“the cwb has tried to respond and damaged itself (beyond repair)in the process”

Sounds to me that, according to you, we’re making progress…

Don’t confuse tenacity with insanity.

[Burbert]

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Look at the open markets today, MELTDOWN in progress. Look at Albertie, lectricity still expensive, nat gas still expensive. Wow that is truly the way the open unregulated markets should work. Hose the consumers, no end to profit in sight, these monos are winning, Epsnore a great example of how business should be run, all a holes. Dirty 30's are returning, for everyone, but mee. Farming for a change is lookin good, country air, grow your own food, enjoy!

[jensend]

chaff so now you have a cwb where the pools have lost integrity because the board tries to offer options that are more makret responsive. nobody's happy. that's progress? when the board is gone the other real world can take over (and burbert isn't that far off, read about more fert. consolidation) and people can make or break on their own. don't confuse zeal with intelligence. they can be mutually exclusive.

[parsley]

You are saying, jensend, in your world, the "show me the money" tactic works.

And I agree, that that tactic has worked, by inches, but it has worked, mainly becasue the Wheat Board would likely concede anything in those days, to not have any ripples in the water. The seed growers used it first. The feed mills used it. But it has taken thirty or so years.

When do people finally say, maybe we shouldn't kill any more buffalo? Of course, your argument would be "when it's no longer profitable"?

The Board has just swiped money, yes swiped, out of the pool accounts.

It is contrary to their promises that they would not take money from the pools.That principle has been abandoned. It is WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE THEY ARE.

Where is the NFU press realease even inquiring about the money being scooped out?

A principle should be protected. We know what is right and what is wrong.

The Wheat Board mentality is wrong. You cannot build upon wrong. You can prop it up, but you can't build on it.

Pars

[parsley]

Consider me stupid. Low IQ.

Perhaps it really is stupid to think farmers should not be jailed for selling what they grow.
Pars