Property Rights in A Market Economy

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I'm the one not acting in a civil fashion, parsley? I think that is a stretch. Care to put it to a poll. 400 acre farmers get an equal vote to those in excess of five nominal sections (3200 acres)!! -------------------------If you have the information, share it on this thread. That was all I was ever asking. Do not take the ball home to play on your own court. Your comments, snide or otherwise, tell me that you're in the camp that believes knowledge is power, and don't you dare question my statements. People learn by a variety of methods. Many learning methods have nothing to do with printed matter. Most of these methods are far less hazardess to ones health, and much less time comsuming. ----------------------------- I deliberately didn't post the information site in order to elicit a response from you. I could then refer you back to your own power and control system over knowledge, use of ambitious fingers, dedicate a little time to your self education, and we were talking about taxation, remember? You are, after all, a professional in all three catagories. ---------------------------- Now kindly post the bill and the paid receipt that shows me that your family paid their mineral rights taxes. ------- You are so very knowledgeable. I bet you know the most favorite colour of crayon. Burbert and mine seem to be missing from our "used boxes". ---------Just exactly how many one colour drawing do you need to have magneted to your refridgerator door, parsley? !!!!!

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Thanks bill, you are a gentleman.

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Peach, you flatter yourself if you think I visited your site. I'd be worried if I pressed 9. My telephone line might be used in Austria.

[parsley]

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I still don't have the orgiginal legisltion during that time checking, I didn't have time to look it up, as I did an editorial on Parsley's Notebook last night. It would do you good to read it, by the way.

And I think of all people on this site, I have done more than my share of information gathering, and sharing that information with all AVer's. Openly and willingly. Many times you may not agree with or like the information I post, but I try to participate with purpose.

And if you want to take any kind of a poll on it, go right ahead, as my entries on this site are not governed by public opinion, a popularity vote, so to speak, nor am I impressed by the thought of a mob vote of any sorts, including voting on whether or not I get to sell my grain.

When and if I am able to access Tommy's Grab Act, I will. It is most likely considered archives and proabably not data entered. The webpage Bill Duke found is not the legislated copy, it is an opinion piece. You demanded verification.

You grabbed at what was handy. And didn't do your homework. And got caught at either looking stupid or evasive. No wonder you're testy. I've done the same, checking. It's why I try to do some thoughtful backgrounding. Not everything appears as it really IS, and I guess no one has taught me that lesson more acutely than the Wheat Board has.

My own families archive material are quite vast. And will take time because I have not finished cataloguing them. I will share them when I find them, and IF I decide to do so.

If you are not satisified,I'd suggest, since you listed dead Tommy as the greatest Canadian ever, that you contact living Lorne Nystrom to do your research, He is probably considered the CBC/CCF guard's second greatest Canadian.

Peach

[parsley]

Oh checking, lol, you look for a scrap, you're wanting to bicker; we need a poll to pick your cure. hmm Anyone? LOL Pars.

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Parsley, it is difficult to inpart inflection off a keyboard, so I guess I'm going to have to get into the habit of using (lol) or (xoxoxo). Please do not take me as being testy, or sarcastic. I did say "thank you" in my very first post, and at times I do say please. I was only interested in your 1950's mineral tax views because I had a discussion with my father who lived though that era, the 1930's, the 1920's and a good part of the 1910's. His recollection was that the mineral tax was talked about, and that people in this area took the Imperial Oil offer in the event the mineral tax was ever passed. They thought they would then have offsetting income to cover any applied tax, and maybe Imperial Oil would drill them a well. Imperial Oil did drill what could be considered a test discovery well in the area, but seeing that the results weren't 100% oil, it went no further. Renewal of mineral leases, when the first one's were up was again $0.10/acre by Imperial Oil. The scam artists were on the prowl by renewal time. Father does not believe he, or his father ever paid a mineral tax. In the 1950's, they were tied up with the likes of Farmer's Mutual Trust, or some offshoot, as were most in the area, simply because at $0.10/acre from Imperial Oil when their leases ran out, what were they actually giving up. ----------------------------- I use the (---) to indicate change of subject paragraphs, because this (#%&*!?) keyboard acts up, freezes up, erases forwards, and at times besides my tying speed causes numerous rewrite. Too much information, but at least it shows I have patience to add to your growing list of stupidity, etc, etc. I'm still interested in what you come up with, and hope you'll post the results here. (lol)

[mustardman]

Parsley that smell of piddled pants you spoke of earlier seems to be wafting from under Your desk.

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Oh!, one other thought. I believe it was a CBC vote that determined Mr. Douglas was Canada's greatest person out of 10 people that debated and presented their favorite candidate. I never took part in the vote.---------- I also considered phoning Mr. Blakeny this morning to see what he recalled on the Mineral Taxation Act. He was very easy to talk to in the 1980's when in opposition at the Legistative building. (lol)

[parsley]

I wasn't being patient,checking, (I could learn from Bill,); it must be a carryover from last night's long think.

And I would be flattered if you read yesterday's Ritz/Board #I bashing, and today's bashing, #II. lol The most difficult is to read what you don't want to hear, but it's worse not hearing or listening to anything at all.

I did find all the old CPR land sales, orginals,homested stuff, and a lot of original receipts for the purchaser of shares in so many of the original oil companies, quite interesting and vary informative I might add. The prices for shares, was surprisngly high. It's the time thing for me. I have some other pressing matters on my plate, too.

mustard, quit picking on me, I'm a defenseless woman. Pars

[bduke]

Checking......I have re-read your posts re:Imperial Oil, and it seems to me that Imperial was doing a flurry of leasing prior to the CCF election landslide in 1944....which I think they lost only 5 seats.

I also believe Imperial had become well established at Turner Valley, and had a vision of expanding in Sask. Shell Oil had a Sask discovery at Jumping Pound in 1944, and aparently Imperial was negotiating with the new CCF Govt, but to no avail. Imperial withdrew their exploration plans....negotiated a deal with Premier Manning of Alberta, and in 1947 discovered the famous Leduc #1.

Many Sask freehold minerals were also leased for 99 years to a Freeholders group of which Morris Shumiatcher, a young Sask lawyer, was involved.

When these minerals were leased the annual tax....50 cents per acre per year, I think....was paid by the Lessee.

Therefore your family would not have paid the any annual tax if they had leased to Imperial prior to the tax law......and if Imperial kept the leases....I could be wrong...Bill

Parsley......a defenseless woman?....You've certainly got the woman part right, but I've never known a Viking to be defenseless!!.lol..Bill

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Safe spring to both of you.

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There is trouble brewing - brewed in the Langenburg potash fields over off limit potash reserved exclusion tracts. Oil right owners, even though the zone they wish to explore is above the potash beds, are not being allowed to develop their minerals, and no payment is being offered to compensate for their losses. If you were the judge, which is coming, would you order that compensatory royalty must be paid, allow the drilling, or go with the status quo?

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Checking.....I would need to here the arguments.....but off hand I would rule in favour of a or b....not c...Bill

[parsley]

Compensation for expropriatory measures is not set in stone in Canada, is sort of wat I understand, checking, but there prevails to be somewhat of a sense of decency in the court's arbitration approach, which could be enhanced by a courtroom full of supportive farmers.

I would approach a good geologist, get him to obtain access to seismograph logs, and present the potential "loss" you will accrue from the undeveloped resource, including gas and oil, and "other".

Drilling doesn't always pan out, so I would work towards a compensatoiry package, making sure you inform the judge in your presentation that your views are concilliatory, meeting half-way, "the Canandian way", best solution for all parties.

A wad of cash helps relieve the grovelling. LOL

If there is little move, sue their asses off.

Off the top of my head. LOL I want xxoo for that rant. Peach

[parsley]

And take your decrepid looking grandmothers to court with you so you look needy. I am for hire. lol Pars.