malsters are going to get what they deserve

[pilpilsner]

WOW...A bunch of angry farmers who are to scared to even say a swear word on a website.Or if they do are banned by an even bigger bunch of cowards.

Cowards deserve what they get.

[charliep]

Lots of room in the moderator area. The only issue is
that you have to put your name there and be held
accountable. Do you have the courage?

[Burbert]

When I sign a contract, I sign a single contract, not three contracts. My signature appears on a single document. I sign contracts, in good faith. Have I ever, read the fine print. Have you? There is usually, way to much of it. The font is generally unreadable, at the best of times and who the heck can make heads or tails of the legalees anyway. In the maltie world, it is an accepted fact that the farmer, takes all the risk, cause he's gonna get the malt bonus if the grain measures up, or the market wants the grain, causa shortages or whatever. The malt system sucks big time and I doubt that CASHPLUS er the open market will ever change the way bidness is done in Kanada.

[charliep]

Perhaps I have to go back to the ideas between craig
(which is the same as yours Burbert) that a many farmers
are extremely unhappy and concerned about the malt
barley contracting. As broker highlighted, however, many
farmers have extremely good relationships with maltsters
and exporters. Perhaps one reason for the difference is
there are effectively 4 maltsters across western Canada (5
if you include BARI for their US operations) and each one
have a different business model and way of doing things.
Each has different contracts. From there, you can add on
the different grain companies that export malt barley.
There is competition albeit in year of lots of malt barley,
most will go for the best.

In what is effectively a value chain relationship, farmers
need to seek out partnerships that they are comfortable
with. If you can't find that relationship, you are best to
grow something else. Not to plug broker directly (don't
know who you are) but it is also a place where using a
outside agent/consultant who is familiar with malt barley
grading, has a good relationship with selectors and knows
where your malt barley has the best home is a good
investment. They can save you a lot of grief and can carry
more weight with maltsters because they represent bigger
volumes.

The farmers most important decision is the seeding one.
Can't live with malt barley contracts? Don't grow it.

[checking]

And on the flip side Charlie, brokers can be a farmer's worse nightmare. When push comes to shove, who exactly is the favored client that the broker will side with in a dispute that can't be resolved except by the legal system? Is the broker's interest more in the few dollars/tonne he receives from the farmer, a single grower, or in the greater business of the larger, limited number of buyers? I know the answer, and so does the broker. Otherwise, your points are well taken, and I choose not to grow malt varieties.

[checking]

For you profilers out there, this is a wonderful site,(www.lawsociety.sk.ca), Under new judgement section, provincial court, case name: Tweedle Farms Ltd v Saskatchewan Wheat Pool Inc.,April 2, 2009, decision by Judge Scott, Access No. PC09043. Case involves a malt v feed barley dispute, and contract issues. It's well worth the read.

[LWeber]

This will make it easier

http://www.canlii.org/en/sk/skpc/doc/2009/2009skpc51/2009skpc51.pdf