One field will make it!

[parsley]

gregpet,

Consider this, as I know you're clever X 13.5:

Organic farming is a holistic approach to agricultue.Not perfect for farmers, for sure. But holisitc.

Gene modification is not a holistic approach to nutrition. It's targeted and segmented. And unaware of the effects. Pars

[Hopperbin]

I believe it comes down to the bottom line here on the farm for most of us. We want to make a profit and the chemicals and fertilizers that are legal are making us the most profit in our opinions. Good on Parsley for stating that 10 percent of consumers purchase organic is a high number probably too high but look in the grocery store some organic is not more money. Purhaps some of them don't have a clue what they are buying, don't even use coupons. As far as frans statement I don't think you purchase just on price, your out to lunch. We purchase on taste and healthiness. The local organic growers here dissolved their marketing club because of no grain to sell. I am open to organic if it can give me a decent living so bring on the agronomics.

[parsley]

"hear of 50% dockage. A super B with 500 net bu, because its so bulky."

Absolutely. Sometimes, that's no rumour. lol

Flax @ $50-$60.per bushel, with the leftover dockage sales to boot, headed for organic livestock pellets. And no fertilizer or spray costs.

Yes, it's just too too surreal, isn't it?

You see, we're accustomed to hearing and being taught that only # 1 grade hrs wheat has value, and that garbage and weedseeds and leftovers have no value.

Who, after all wants to trade in "crap"?

Meantime, the smart folks are taking the gold out of the computers you toss in the garbage.

We can always learn new ways, can't we?

Pars

[gregpet]

Holistic or not, this was not part of the discussion. I feel that my bottom line and nutritional content of food is more important. If the food we eat makes us healthier and I can extract a premium for there is not need to be organic. I can keep my yields up and increase my profits

Why change the focal point of the discussion? You can't have it both ways, either you want the highest profit or not. What one chooses to do with it is their own decision. If you extract your premium and decide to put it into iron or more land or the bank or a holiday or etc... I don't spend any time looking at or competing with the neighbors I'm too busy, that's why I don't read or post on here as often as I would like. I do know I enjoy farming the way I do it. It provides a decent living for me and my family.

[Hopperbin]

Sure we can learn so get a god dam organic grain marketing forum on here.
Or an organic farming forum. Take that lightly I hope but I do have a point.

[gregpet]

If I recall correctly they are taking the lead out of the computers and poisining themselves. If those are the smart ones I'll stay stupid for my own health.

[parsley]

Rambling was not a mistep.

I shifted, slightly, because, gregpet, in the long term, and overviewing, holistic is both directly and indirectly tied to profit/money... tied to sustainability and futurial value of family farms. Canadian owned. imho.

But you shpould surely use your thread to write about important things like CWB rain gauges. LOL ....I will hop on the Wheat Board single desk another time, so that your sensibilities are not so pinched by the hitch on my organic bandwagon. lol Pars

[Hopperbin]

Parsley I hope we don't ever develope ill will to each other. I respect you for how you stand up and carry yourself among us conventional farmers when discussing organic and chemical issues.
Hope to some day tour and learn from your families practices.

[parsley]

My sensibilities are not bruised at all. I very much enjoy the different approaches AVers have to farming and to life.

The most astounding moment in my life was when I visited the Museum of Natural History in New york City and saw the progressive stages of the remains of archeological digs of human beings, all lined up in a row, showing how we have evolved. Showing how similar we are. How we are one.

Being human, at that moment, was being so fragile; was lending each observer a moment of appreciation for being a primate.

We're all different, but we are all the same. As are farmers.

And that my friends, really IS something worthwhile to celebrate, but absolutely nothing to be pissy about. Pars

[cottonpicken]

Kind of like watching a sunset on a stimulant one night a depressent the next and a hallusnagenic the third.

Same sun,same you,but really,really different.

[parsley]

well said cott

[Hopperbin]

Got an idea, pars should make some organic wine and invite some agvillers over for 5 dollars glass or coffee mug full. I would really like to see a sunset about now, god dam cloudy these days.