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    105 - getting closer to your age! Did I say age? I meant IQ!!! I recall a certain human who claimed to have sent IP addresses to the CWB, hence an Aver was receiving junk mail. My trust went out the window from that point on, so I hesitate to go near anything in brackets. I'll agree that farming is expensive, and say that $125/acre is a bare bones minimum for us. I apologize to Sf3 for getting caught up in a highjacked topic message, and we know who changed it - right? Those evil, but necessary underground structures you mention make this area liveable for everyone, provide employment, and provide the RMs with a healthy yearly ongoing tax base. For landowners, there is no windfall in accepting them as they destroy our type of soils, are usually a one year capital damage payment, and present a receptive environment for kochia growth. If you want them, I'll be pleased to route them to your farm.

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      checking, if you have developed chronic nervousness over links, simply right click on the link above called "here", and then click on "open in new tab, and read to your heart's content.

      If you close that window by clicking the x in the right hand corner when you're finished reading, you'll be safe.

      Add my adventurous directions as a bold act to your life today!

      And I'm sorry for hijacking the thread. I take responsibility for it. Didn't mean to make AV'ers mad. Just wanted to stir the hot summer's mental lethargy a bit. Pars

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        checking,

        I'll try to answer a bit of your question:

        Take a 150 acre field cropped backed to back four years.

        Then seeded to sainfoin for eight years or so, to put nitrogen back in the soil.

        Sometimes the sainforin is cut and combined for seed.

        Sometimes the sainfoin is cut for hay and sold as bales.

        Sometimes the sainfoin is pastured/cow/day

        And often a combination of any of the above in the same year.

        You may get seed money and pasture money and hay money all the same year while you are fertilizing.

        Sainfoin revitalizes those bare spot hills where nothing will grow. Sainfoin cleans up weeds. Revitalizes poorer soils.

        Not being flippant, but hard to put a benchmark on cost of fertilizing with a legume fixating crop. Pars

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          Pars I am surprised you don't say can do this and can do that like I have heard other organic growers say. Is there a rotation that actually works? Sure your going to have wrecks and plow down the nutrients for the next crop., I can see Sainfoin mining minerals from deeper in the ground and making them available for following crops. Your obviously not going to be able to give all your agronomic advice right here, how about on your website?

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            <p></p><p class="EC_style8ptBK"><strong>[URL="http://parsleysnotebook.blogspot.com/2008/09/forage-crop-called-sainfoin.html"](a proven rotation on our farm for years and years)[/URL]</strong></p>

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              "Read to my heart's content". All I wanted to know is if the number was higher or lower than your age or IQ. Reminds me of the Sunday blizzard in cattle country. An old rancher showed up at church. He was the only one of congregation able to make the service. The priest decided he would present a full sermon. An hour later after finishing up, the priest asked the rancher if he enjoyed the sermon. The rancher replied, "well it's this. When I take a load of feed to my cattle, and only one cow shows up, I don't give it the whole load." Scheesch!!!!

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                C'mon, checking, your mom must have taught you not to pick on the dumb one.
                Scheesch. Pars

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                  I was going to reply on this organic thing but i'm not.


                  "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

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                    Holy crap guys i was using those numbers as an example to make a point ( hypothetical) . You guys are way to up tight. If i took everyword you guys say as fact my god i would be in a world of trouble. Lighten up use examples and read between the lines.

                    Don't want anyone to have a heart attack and blame it on a post from agriville.

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                      I'll cut and paste from Post #5:

                      "Sunday is a perfect day for throwing a word grenade just so you don't get complacent."

                      Pars

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                        Ag_guy, don't be shy! Darren - what's the significance of 442? Actually we were all organic farmers at one time. When control was offered, most of us threw away our rolls of tarpaper used to cover sow thistles. Forgiveness day is upon us again. I'll pray for you both!!!!

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