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      #47
      And the link for fran is because he IS smart and I thought he'd be particularly interested in it.

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        #48
        Click on your mouse kodiak if you are too confused. And go help plan a menu.

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          #49
          Interesting tidbit here. Looks like they're starting to realize that maybe a zero tolerence policy is not in their long term best interests.

          EU Agricultural Ministers To Mull Risks Of Strict GMO Policy

          The European Union Council of Agricultural Ministers will meet
          Monday to discuss the economic risks posed by the EU's tough policy of
          rejecting agricultural imports that contain tiny residues of
          unauthorized genetically modified material, an EU official said Friday.

          The issue made headlines in June when Germany and Spain blocked
          cargoes of US soy...one of which amounted to 35,000 tonnes...that were
          found to contain traces of GM corn not yet approved in the EU. After a
          number of separate incidents, a total of 200,000 tonnes of soy had been
          denied entry by mid-July, according to the EU Commission.

          High on the agenda of the Agricultural Council will be the problems
          faced by the trading block's livestock industry, which is hugely
          dependent on imports of soymeal as the chief component of animal feed.
          Feed and food industry representatives have warned due to tight global
          stocks the EU faces severe soybean shortages and soaring feed prices in
          the coming months unless it eases its zero-tolerance policy.

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            #50
            Child obesity comes from the "home" they live in. Lazy parenets produce lazy children. Our kids are in dance, hockey,swiming, gymnastics, and school sports. We eat out alot b/c of time issues - but our kids are as active as we were or more - not one pound overweight and probably never will. BTW internet/wii/computer - not a problem if they are active, don't give them the time/chance. It makes our life seem crazy but the only spare time is for reading books or homework - so far.
            Pars the problem lies with the parents not the kids, feed them right and keep them active. Nothing against organic food, but the food we produce is not the problem, it's the parents, end of story.

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              #51
              So, why didn't I see fat kids in Europe? They're all chefs and don't watch tv?

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                #52
                Manure = organic fertilizer.

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                  #53
                  wedino, A few copied from reg bodies:


                  1.BioSuisse (for entering Europe)"manures must be processed by, for example, composting in heaps, slurry aeration."

                  2. NOP:
                  http://www.ioia.net/images/pdf/NOP5006ProcessedManure7-16-07.pdf

                  3.OCIA: Regulatory standard states; "...producer must apply plant and animal materials in ways that do not contaminate crops,soil, and water' and it also says....."sewage sludge (aka biosolids) are strictly prohibited"....

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                    #54
                    A number of e coli outbreaks have been traced back to organic farms. Because it says organic doesn't mean it's safe.

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                      #55
                      Dyinmg id dying, wedino. Bad management is just that, and it is a different issue. Restaurants undergo inspection, but people still die from eating in restaurants.

                      Chemicals have rules for application, but farmers still die from breathing them in. That's not the chemical companies' fault. It's a management issue as far as I am concerned.

                      There is policy,regulation, rules in place for fertilizer application in organic.

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