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    Organic vs Convential a beef perspective

    Further to Parsley's posts on organic I would like to add my comments from a beef producers perspective.
    The debate on the other thread was so much like the situation in the beef industry. Conventional producers looking for a way to discredit the science behind organic, critisizing the weeds and at the same time in other threads bemoaning being screwed by the CWB, the weather, the machinery manufacturers, the fertilizer dealers, the Europeans who won't buy GMO etc etc.

    All the time you are missing the point - there are consumers out there prepared to pay you very good money to do things differently because it's important to them. It is their money and their perceptions that are important not our preconceived ideas based on what worked in the past.

    In the beef (likely hogs too) sector it's the same, an industry bankrupting itself by the day complaining about the high dollar, high grain prices, lack of EU market access for hormone treated beef etc, etc. All the time ignoring customer demand.
    We have built a market in recent years for direct marketed grass-fed beef and now pasture-pork also. We raise them this way to meet consumer requirements - there are a growing number of people prepared to pay us $900-$1000 for a half of our beef without even having tasted it before. This shows how desperate consumers are for alternatives to conventional production. Many of them turn around after tasting the product and order more right away because it was so much better than their expectations. We like to give our customers a good deal so don't price it too expensive - if we charged the average beef retail price in Canada we would bank TWICE what we would get selling the same cattle into the commodity beef system even with the outrageous processing costs we have to pay.

    There is so much money to be made in the production of food if only we can shed the tattered coat of the commodity market off our backs. I guess for most though it's easier to fail conventionally than to try and succeed by being unconventional.

    A final word on organic Parsley, I think we are broadly in agreement on the issues here but in my opinion the organic rules on beef in Canada are very poorly thought out. We are essentially organic but would fail audit because we source our winter forage off our chemical-rich Hutterite colony neighbors. On the other hand our grass-fed is produced by cattle out on lush green pasture whereas organic can be produced in a feedlot, on a high grain ration as long as the grain used is certified organic. If I were organic I couldn't haul farm yard manure in from neighbors that don't feed certified organic grain - what nonsense how can farm yard manure not be organic? We get many questions on our organic status and when I explain that we are hormone, antibiotic free, grass-fed and reared on pasture the customers all agree that's the beef they want - that's what they think organic is, not a system that allows for feedlot fattening on grain with all the nutrient problems, fossil fuel burning problems that can bring. We have never lost a customer looking for organic when we explain our system is beyond organic. Again it's a question of listening to the consumer. In my opinion the organic beef productions rules in Canada are stupid and wrong - they were not designed to provide what the consumer wants. We are all in manufacturing and sales - and in both these the customer is always right. It's time to start listening to the consumer instead of bitching about things we have no control over.

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    Has it not been shown that there is a place in the food chain for both of us, and that maybe some of both groups (and yours beyond either group) are not suffering in our chosen method of farming? I have absolutely nothing against organic farming. Really, I don't. It's simply a means of making a living for some by extracting as much money out strange fickle, someone said "picky" eaters as they feel comfortable in extracting. In Pars case, it's finding a place for her to throw it on the pile while people skilling her customers into believing she is really just sharing. (lol) It is not possible for me to discredit the science of organics because it is all natural, so please don't give feed me that bunk!

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      #3
      Now, now checking, don't pick on me, I'm the choice you selected to take on your fishing trip, remember?<p></p>
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        #4
        Organic livestock is evolving so very slowly. So many farms do as you do, with neighbors buying as fast as calving and feeding can progress.

        Uncontaminated feed is the one item that is hard to souce, and even when you do source it, it's hard to manage content.

        I think there will be GM hand inspection devices to measure any kind of gene manipulation in ag products, and probably sooner than we think, and with it, regulatory specifications will subjugate to the 'gene test'.

        Well worth $5.000 each.

        Pars

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          #5
          This is from the complements of "shortround." Most of the stuff people worry about ain't never gonna happen anyway.

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            #6
            Oh we don't sell to neighbors pars, the rural locals either aren't interested or if they are they still have relatives farming who can supply them. Our customers are virtually all city dwellers, usually 30 somethings with young kids, SUVs and blackberries in their hands constantly. These folks are generally well off too.

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              #7
              Good for you, gf. Building a market is slow and patient work, but you'll have loyal support and word of mouth advertising. And cash.

              I know quite a few farms in the southeast part of Saskatchewan who sell quality: beef, or pork and chicken.

              An area can get a mighty fine food reputation. France does this. Especailly if you team up with a neighbor or two if they grow something different.

              They sported the Angus name on the menu in Copenhagen where we dined. Also saw it on a sign in another window. Angus weiners are out front and centre on TV. Some Angus people were smart enuff to think forwards. Pars

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                #8
                Have to give it to the Angus people, even though I am a Gelbvieh breeder, they did a dandy job of marketing, starting some time ago.
                Just to throw stir the pot a bit, I have called and am pushing for "ethically raised". To me, some technologies are very useful, like perhaps certain chemicals that are used on crops during the growth stage, but certainly not once the seed has set. (Glysophate on everything is really ticking me off.)
                Animals raised in manageable groups, so as medication is not required, but perhaps they did get a vaccination as a calf.
                After speaking to many, some definitely like the organic scenario, but many as well do not want to see animals raised in large feedlots or cages that defy movement. They wish to see animals treated with some respect and dignity. And some consumers want the grower of such products to be treated with respect and dignity, hence the real push on locally grown products. (Just returned from meetings with just that focus for our economic region….something that would never have been discussed 20 years ago in the heart of oil country.)
                To me, there is change in the wind, I just wish it could happen sooner.

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