Glyphosate vs Liberty...

[buzz]

I have been thinking about how much glyphosate we are using and do I need to worry about resistance.
Are you guys rotating?

[ado089]

I do but it I'm also on 50% or more canola rotation. Helps me keep the volunteers in check.

Keep in mind that using glyphosate at different times of the year is in a sense a type of rotation. For example a pre-seed and pre-harvest app in your wheat will target different species and stages than in crop RR. I'd be more concerned about developing resistance to the add-ins.

[BTOfarmall]

If yous apply Glyphosate pre-harvest to dry down your crop, PLEASE let'r go to the Hutts. Give Ritchie Bros a dingle, sell the ranch, Retire.....


Long Live Swathing!!!

[Ron]

Why is pre-harvest glyphosate an issue
for you? In central alberta we have
some crappy falls and standing crops
weather better than swathed, straight-
cutting seems more efficient.
Do you have rotation/resistance
concerns, or are you referring to the
(alleged for now) link between fusarium
and glyphosate?

Just trying to understand your comment

[BTOfarmall]

Laugh Out Loud

Don't yous ever tink???

Where do I's start...

Fer one waste of moneys. I always see cowboys around here sprayin gly fer Burn down, den tree days later dey come and knock'r down by swather er straight cut... As yous all know gly is slow actin'. In tree days it ain't gonna done much. Sometimes I's even see dem come in da next day.

I would sooner have a standin' crop not sprayed wit gly vs. one standin' sprayed. Grain goes out of condition fast left standing in bad weather wit gly sprayed on it...

The crop kin be cut a little on da green side yous knows eh??? I's do this all the times. I am dun thrashin' cereals before da rest of yous comedians that spray gly even tink about gettin' outta bed. Tree days max da crop sits in da field swathed...

I's hope yous knows when yous all say, (Ya the gly is killing the weeds in the fall though), but da weeds have all gone to seed is whatch yall are missin'...

Gist my opinion...

[Ron]

Laugh Out Loud

Don't you ever think???

Where do I start...

For one waste of money. I always see
cowboys around here spraying glyphsate
for Burn down, then three days later
they come and knock it down by swathing
or straight cut... As you all know
glyphsate is slow acting. In three days
it won't get much done. Sometimes I've
even seen them come in the next day.

I would sooner have a standing crop not
sprayed with glyphosate vs. one standing
sprayed. Grain goes out of condition
fast left standing in bad weather with
glyphosate sprayed on it...

The crop can be cut a little on the
green side you know eh??? I do this all
the time. I am done thrashing cereals
before the rest of you comedians that
spray glyphosate even think about
getting out of bed. Three days max the
crop sits in the field swathed...

I hope you all know when you say, (Yes
the glyphosate is killing the weeds in
the fall though), that the weeds have
all gone to seed which is what you all
are missing...

Just my opinion...

[Ron]

You have a point about mature crops
sprayed with glyphosate, but you can
spray glyphosate at least as early as
you can swath (unless the crop is
intended for malt or seed).
I dont see any value spraying glyphosate
below 25% moisture in the crop. For
fast dry down reglone is the answer but
it is pricey and does nothing at all for
weed control.
Glyphosate for fall control of weeds is
useless for annuals and dandilion. It
works well for Thistle and Quackgrass
(especially if pulses are in your plans)
and helps immensely if you have second
growth. Also straw chops much nicer if
it is dead and dry, the green straw at
25% grain moisture doesn't shred as well
with older machines (I know, just buy a
bigger/newer machine or call Ritchie
Bros)

I will have to look into the weathering
factor between glyphosate sprayed
standing and non-sprayed standing.
I know I have had sprouting issues in
the wheel tracks from the sprayer, I
took the crop lifters off and cut high
enough to leave all wheel tracks. A
swather "probably" wouldn't have been
driven down enough to get glued to the
ground and sprout?

Thanks for explaining your opinion.

[bluefargo]

You are a very funny guy Ron.
Thanks for the translation

On the original question of resistance it is definately a concern. Our whole farming system at present is based on cheap effective glyphosate.
Resistant weeds have shown up in various places including the US. As far as I know they haven't shown up in Canada but could be corrected on that.
It's only a matter of time till something shows up here.
We can only hope that technology will come to our aid when the time comes. I really believe our current direct seeding system is the most environmentally friendly yet devised.

[BTOfarmall]

Was that fun Ronn???

Drop da straw if yous got olds machines, den toss a match in let'r burn black or buys a Mav Chopper...

Tistles have alls gone to seeds by den...

Knows cents in taken da crop lifters off. Better gets all dem seeds, yous needs all da moneys yous kin git to cover da costs of glyphosates & applications.

Dats da spirit, hopeing on technology to come to yous aids. Sh!t in one hand & wish in thee other, seas which one fills up faster. Do yous knows sometings like glyphosates to come alongs in yous lifetimes is highly unlikely??? Betters use it wisely or yous will wrecks it fer yous all...

[Ron]

Cut and paste to spell check is an easy
and fun fix but I will resist doing it
on every post.

I'm looking at a Mav chopper as burning
isn't an option where I farm.

Thistle from seed is much easier to kill
than established plants but Quackgrass
is my biggest reason for Pre-harvest
application.

I have to agree on the technology side.
We have to rotate glyphosate with
something, liberty perhaps? Tillage
occasionally (I don't think weeds will
develop resistance to sweeps) With
continuous glyphosate we will develop
resistance.

Merry Christmas BTO

[buzz]

Thanks for the thoughts....some good ideas.

Take care and have a nice holidays.

[AG_guy]

Decembers Western producer page 9

[Dwh039]

Bto I don't think coffee shop science is a safe
approach to managing a farm. When on earth
has glyphosate caused a standing crop to
deteriorate faster than a field that was not
sprayed.
My guess is that you farm in the south and
haven't experienced too many wet falls in the
past. We have been preharvesting for the past
25 years and I can't think of one year that we
lost a grade due to spraying a field with
glyphosate and leaving it stand.
Here is some coffee shop scientific data for you.
Fall of 2009 1500 acres of wheat sprayed sept. 8
combined last week of sept after 4 inches of
rain, still graded a 1 red, swathed field that was
being left for seed was feed. 1000 acres of oats
sprayed sept. 10 combined nov.7 after 7 inches
of rain and 6 inches of snow graded a 2cw, 80
acres of swathed left for seed wasn't even
marketable and wouldn't even burn in the swath
the next spring.
As far as weed resistance, manage the groups
you spray and you won't have an issue. Its like
any system that a producer implements on their
operation, if you don't have the knowledge and
skill to implement it in the correct way then of
course it won't work. Same goes for a
conventional system, till too much and you
donate soil to the neighbors. Just think of the
coffee shop science when toilet paper was first
implemented