Monsanto VS Percy

[lornej]

C'mon countryguy , I farmed for twenty years before I saw my first thistle plant . I didn't point fingers at anyone for introducing this weed into our community - its just a hazard of the industry - you know that it is inevitable but you have to roll with the punches and find a way to make it work . I would much rather have RR canola on my field as a weed than cleavers or thistle ! At least RR canola only takes a little sniff of phenoxy to take it out .

[countryguy]

Don't get me wrong guys,in the beginning I didn't but now I use and actually like the technology.It has a real fit on our farm.I don't like being restricted the next year in cropping options as with clearfield or conventional canola grown with edge etc and I haven't yet found a liberty link variety that I am truly happy with.

My whole gripe with Monsanto is that those weeds growing in YOUR field is property of them.You can't say that about any other weed in your field.That canada thistle may be there but she belongs to you!

I feel that after you pay them to use their technology,buy their seed and spray it with their chemical you should be done with them.And further more people who have decided not to use monsantos technology should not have to deal with monsantos possessions growing in their fields,no matter how little the cost of controlling them.

Maybe this cold weather is affecting my brain but that's the way I see the situation.

[lornej]

Only those producers that are brown-bagging the seed need to lose sleep at night worrying if Monsanto is going to put them on their black list . Monsanto isn't worried about a little volunteer canola escapes - if the grower is following a proper crop rotation and is using proper crop husbandry , the volunteers will not pose a problem . Spray your field the year after the RR variety is grown and treat it like you would any volunteer canola -presto , no problem !

[lakenheath]

RR wheat is whole different story with vastly different implications. First the destruction of the industry. Secondly the management crisis. Volunteer canola, yes easy to manage (squirt of phenoxy). But how do you burn-off RR wheat before seeding? So much for $3.50/acre pre-seed burn-off.

[lakenheath]

Also, farmers do not want RR wheat. So how can some bully of a corporation come in and force technology on OUR industry.

[lornej]

Lakenheath : I agree , RR wheat IS a whole different story - and if it is not acceptable to farmers , the big multinationals have no hope of shoving it down anyone's throat . The only reason why RR canola has done so well is because it was very well accepted by farmers . I've heard stats that herbicide-tolerant canola comprises 90% of the total seeded acres in W. Canada !

[Freesaw]

To lornej and johnnytill. a question to the good managers, when I seed a pulse crop in no till how do I burn off rr canola? if I use a sniff of 24D I can hurt germination. I have used sencor which some times does more bad then good. so would you be so kind and tell me how to kill these man made weeds.

[JACKFLASH]

Freesaw

You can use 24D amine, with your preseed burnoff. Have to wait 3 to 7 days to seed. Depending on temp. and moisture levels.

There was some data from Indian Head research station a couple of years back showing no real damage doing this.

[lornej]

If it were me , I would use glyphosate in the spring burn-off , and venture/pursuit in crop very early . The use of phenoxy's has had variable results re. crop damage according to Darwent at CRS Beaverlodge .

[mhartman]

There are few herbicide choices for pre-seeding burnoff of RR canola volunteers in sensitive pulse crops like chickpeas and lentils, especially in dry areas with lower soil organic matter levels (and thus higher risk of residues affecting germination). Gramoxone PDQ will work, but I hear that this product is being phased out. Roundup Bromoxynil(Pardner)would work, although this isn't registered for pre-seeding application in pulses.

[cris]

Vol canola is a bad weed, it eats up N and H2O at an amazing rate, if it gets very big it takes a good shot of phenoxy to kill it. Bromoxinil is not really all that effective if the canola gets past the 3 leaf stage. This could easily happen with a cool wet spring. This is one of the reasons I refuse to grow RR canola. Clearfield canola in a pea rotation is also a problem, the field looks like hell and perpetuates the disease cycle. Sencor is very hit and miss on contolling canola especially if you miss the very small window.

RR wheat is another story, most of the wheat in our country get pre-harvest glyphosphate Half the time for weed control the other half for dry down to straight cut. Monsanto purposes that growers would use a product like Poast or Select at a low rate to control volunteers in a burnoff.

The thing that burns me is everytime you turn around you get dinged with another three or four bucks to contol another volunteer.

[lornej]

Cris : That is the wonderful thing about living in the free world . You can choose to take advantage of new technology , or you can choose not to .