BinVigor?

[WildTomato]

The original topic was about seeding bin-vigor. So far, nobody has disputed that, so end of story. I said that I saw a 10% yield difference between the binvigor and invigor. That is what I saw and that is only one year. Next year could be different.
Seed and chem companies ripping us off, government subsidies, land values and oil and gas revenues are completely different. Everyone has to do a better job of controlling costs and capitalizing on opportunities when they arise. That's what makes us successful.

[mhartman]

Ag Canada will be presenting their results on F2 InVigor canola performance relative to Certified at the Agronomy Update in Red Deer on Jan. 10/11, and I believe also at Sask Crop Production Week. Their work was funded and instigated by the provincial canola commissions.

[SASKFARMER]

Wow you put alot in AG Canada findings
Give me a break!.
AG canada is conected to Canola councils who get funding from Monsanto Bayer, who get funding from the feds who get funding for elections from Bayer and Monsanto.
Dont believe me At the University of Manitoba there is a new wing may as well be called the Monsanto wing.
Does any one believe in out system any more.
I for one do not put much in the report by Ag canada since I work for them and see all the B S that goes on.
Farmers if the Goverment or their agencies or agencies that are supose to represent farmers all did actually achieve something dont you think by now farmers would finally be better off. Just a thought!

[cheapskidoo]

Not to sound like a chem company man, but last year we recieved a 12,000 cheque from Bayer on the Invigor/Centurion/Puma/Stratego offer. I am not a fan of the rebate programs but we use these products every year anyways. We seeded 1000acres of canola so this is roughly $12/acre. Our seed cost is around $20/acre so this is about $8/acre extra. WE are contemplating seeding Binvigor but for $8/acre are struggling to find the savings in it. It seems like a viscous circle.

[SASKFARMER]

Yea my rebate came in around 12000 on 2400 or more acres.
Still deduct it from cost.

Rebates are a joke of farming monsanto over charges for round up and then gives farmers a rebate most farmers think there doing ok.
Seed 1/2 1/2 and still get rebate etc.
just you save money not BAYER

[ward.toma]

The Alberta Canola Producers Commission (ACPC) does not recieve any funding from any private sector sources or government sources. Our funding comes from canola farmers. The Saskatchewan Canola Development Commission(SCDC)is funded the same way.

These two Commissions funded the f2 work referenced previously. The results will be posted at http://wwww.canola.ab.ca by Friday January 6, 2006.

[SASKFARMER]

Corrected well thats very fine but what I am saying they will come out with a study that shows that there is a huge yield difference from the hybrid varieties. That they have lower oil content, higher green count etc.

They will tell the world that what we are using is working and farmers dont try it will destroy your farm. (scare tactics work just look at the federal liberals)Most farmers will go and not try it for fear of failure and the seed companys will have susceeded again.

Truth based on 3000 acres a year for 4 years not a little plot in bug-tussel alberta. Also others in saskatchewan with higher acreages than mine.
Only problem it flowers longer than the hybrids, but your yield is in the bottom big pods and a decision on swathing.

Each farmer try a little test plot of their own and you be the judge.

[Ron]

I got a canola guide last week with results of binvigour 5070 (if I can remember, it already got filed with the christmas junk). It was 57 bu cert vs 50 bu common. approx 20% mortality at spraying. It didnt say if seeding rates were bumped up for binvigour or if seed treatment was used. 7 bu is approx 15%, it doesnt look to bad (how many times do you get 57 bu canola). This was south central AB I think.

[FarmRanger]

The reason that the farmer run canola commissions are running F2 trials is that they want good professional unbiased scientific data showing what results to expect from growing your own farmer saved seed.

The problem with farmer research is that it can be notoriously unprofessional, without proper controls, comparisons, and measurements. Not saying you haven’t looked into how to do proper on-farm research Saskfarmer, but for those who are considering it, make sure you do it right. Someone to ask for proper procedures would be Tom Goddard, Soil Conservation Specialist AAFRD who gave a presentation of New technologies for conducting farm trials at the SACA conference in Lethbridge. He gave out some handouts at the conference that might be helpful.
- Field Experimentation in Agriculture - available from AAFRD
- Another handout outlining 1. how to plan your testing 2. Site Considerations 3. Tools and technologies 4. Data collection and 5. Record keeping This handout also had Len Kryzanowski, Nutrient Management Specialist, AAFRD and Roger Andreiuk, RTL Agronomist, Reduced Tillage Linkages as authors.
- Also said to check out AGSTATS02 for an online and downloadable stats primer package and gave a website - http://pnwsteep.wsu.edu/ Click on the “on farm testing” Link

[FarmRanger]

That should read "The problem with ON-FARM research is that it can be notoriously unprofessional"

[SASKFARMER]

Un-profesional.
If you cant figure this out by now that I am a Ag grad from the UofM that works full time for Ag canada. and Farm a lot. I mean alot.
Not part time and is on canola commisions etc.
Real facts farmer try half a quarter and 1/2 buy seed. or 2.5 lbs bought and 2.5 lbs bin and see the difference for your self.
Why is is that every one who gets a degree goes away from the farm to work becomes such an expert in every thing but practices none of it day to day.
Simply Farmers try it your self if it works great if it doesnt it was a learing experiment.
But trust me it works.

[FarmRanger]

It depends how you seed the quarter, cutting a line down the middle of the quarter isn’t randomizing your trial. How many here have any piece of land that doesn’t vary from one side of a quarter to the other? Certainly not me. Being an “Ag graduate” you realize that the error goes up significantly when you don’t control for variability across a field. Measuring yield from one side the field and comparing it to the other does provide data. Is it useful for the guy down the road if it hasn’t been properly controlled for variability in the field, and proper controls and measurements haven’t been done and recorded?
Don’t’ get me wrong, I’m not saying that field scale research doesn’t work, I participated in some myself this year. Just make sure you find out how to it right, and record it properly so that others can trust and use it.