Nitrogen prices

[needham]

You mentioned that you must be a member to get info. A MEMBERSHIP IN WHAT and do have info on being a member or how to become a member

[mbgrainfarmer]

Saudi 46-0-0 / 88 tonne/car $424/tonne spotted in Vermilion AB. Phone Farmers of North America, Saskatoon for membership and details, same guys that sell the Clearout 41 glysophate

[SASKFARMER]

Yes you are right it is FNA who seem to be the only ones who are trying to help farmers in Canada.
Doesnt it make cents since their is cheap 46-0-0 out in the world so why cant we have it in canada. Oh yea we let the retailers and cargil create a Monopoly and we have to bend over and leave them in charge just like seed and chemical well its time for a change.
They tell us farmers we have to compete on the world stage but yet have to support local and multinational companys with inflated prices. I have not yet seen any of the cargil family cutting back to survive like most farmers in Canada.
I am not just picking on Cargil there all in bed together to mine the canadian farmers.

[SASKFARMER]

Price in eastern Saskatchewan is $409.00 rail siding.
price local retailer is $469.00
60.00 a ton x 88 $5280.00

[Pulseman]

Can buy 46-0-0, bulk VCR (Vancouver) for US$170 - 190 per MT. Saudi or Ukraine product. 5000 MT minimum purchase, buyer pays per L/C, N guranteed and tested by SGS. Cost on top is vessel unloading, railcar loading shipping to unload point. Problem is tonnage, coordination and one has to have an acount with CN or CPRail.

So the guys with C$400 are still making good money.

[SASKFARMER]

Pulse man you sound like a smart skeptic. Do the math a rail car holds 88 MT so break down price 218.00 thats 56 rail cars. to saskatchewan freight back haul yeas thats a great price but what is his price per rail car more realistic for farmers then thats the real price of the N. But if farmers keep thinking out of the box maybe we can control the price of our imputs.
Round up generic out of china is 1.00 per liter thats the real cost of the product and to get it to canada covering all middle man and freight its 3.95 canadian. oh yea it needs to have special tags on each barrol saying what it is.

[SASKFARMER]

Just talked to CNR and shipping cost from vancouver to East Saskatchewan is
47.81 plust 218.00 cost of 46-0-0 equals a total cost of $265.81

this is well cheaper cost than locals and FNA but need to take 56 cars and need $1,000,000.00 down to perform this quote. but savings on 80,000 acre farm are $1,000,000.00 saving that is not going to Cargil AGrium or your local dealer.$12.50 an acre saving.

[SASKFARMER]

On our farm we would need 3.8 cars or 336 tons = $89,367.15 cost - local dealer for anhydrous (.40) cost is $136,800.00 their is a saving to me of $47,432.00

[nicolaas]

It sure is an eye opener to see the markup on the inputs we use. Makes me think i may have to switch from anhydrous to granular this year(though anhydrous is so damn handy)! I sure hope that anyone that uses straight granular for their Nitrogen will utilize this offer. I know for a fact that the generic ivermectin introduction into Canada caused a $150 drop in the 5L brand name ivermectin within about 2 months. Same goes for the generic roundup --- monsanto is now trying to sell a souped up version of their product to compete (I ain't gonna bite). THe more farmers support the FNA, the cheaper everything should get. I believe they even sell RFID tags for about $.75 cheaper than my local supply store. Most farmers have had enough, and realize that we have been fleeced by the big companies for years. I know I have, and will go out of my way to buy through the FNA.

[Pulseman]

The mark-ups are the reason why all companies in the agbusiness post marginal profits in grain handling, but good profits on inputs. No doubt that money needs to be made, but while most farmers scramble to brake even, this money taking from the dying is not good and reflects the lack of competition, but the Government seems to like it this way.

On return to some questions why not get into this business: a) I got to much else going already and lack the $1,000,000 plus storage to get going on this.