yield monitor readings in lodged wheat

[Ron]

anybody with a yield monitor have numbers for yield loss in wheat? just curious as I have a couple fields I cant keep wheat standing on (regardless of variety), debating whether to cut N rate way back (applying at rec level according to soil tests) so I can harvest easier? Usually yields between 60-90 bu of HRS or 75-100 bu of CPS with unreal straw.
Basically wondering if the yield loss due to lodging is more than I would lose by reducing my N?
Thanks

[furrowtickler]

Ron, what is your n-p-k-s useage/ratio? Are you on irrigation? Is it sawfly cuasing lodging? 98% of the farmers in the real world do not comprehend these type of yeilds by the way - lol. These are the type of problems most of us wish wwe had.

[furrowtickler]

(n) is usually the the only factor in these situations. We only seen this on the inside rounds of feilds due to overlap on cornering. We now do our inside rounds with no (n). Our yeild monitor shows higher yeild but the pain in the a$$ is not worth it. The lodged areas were always greener and a bit$$ to swath and combine.
Ron, sorry but you kindda sound like the guy that has a Porche but wants something faster - high yeilding crops lodge 90% of the time, plain and simple.

[Ron]

Yeah I know, just trying to minimize lodging. Mainly I am wondering if I am losing yield due to the lodging? Would the yield be similar if I backed off the N, reduced plant pop so it didnt quite lodge? I remember something about a chem spray to limit height?
Anybody seen irrigated wheat? how does it stand there?
thanks

[seedsman]

We grow irrigated wheat. Historically, it was mostly soft white spring varieties. These were semi-dwarf, and stood quite well. With the demise of soft white spring prices and improvements in HRS agronomics, much of the irrigated wheat is now HRS in this area, with some durum. The variety that has stood the best for many growers is Superb (and AC Morse & Navigator for durum). Lodging is occasionally a problem, and definitely reduces yield if the crop goes down early. 90 bushel yields have been very common, and last year many of our customers reported yields over 100, with protiens in the 14% range. It's been quite hot this last month, so I'm guessing yields may be down a bit but protien likely up. Should know better in a week or 2!

[Pulseman]

Losses in lodged grain should not be higher then standing, some times I believe it maybe less if you can get under the crop good, simply because you drive slower because of the losdging.

Cycocel is the standard in Europe, cheap and it works, together with broadleaf weed control .25 l/acre would do nice, but BASF sells the liter with 360 gram Chlormequat for three times the money then the 720 gram product in Europe. Guess no leveled playing field.

No N on the outside rounds sounds like a usable idea.