canola varieties and contract presure

[furrowtickler]

Wich canola vaieties performed the best in your area? Pioneer Hy-Bred canola varietties did extreemly well here outyeilding the 5000 Invigors.
Now the Pioneer JRI elevators who can not sell top end Pioneer Hy-Bred varietites are putting presure on farmers to buy only JRI canola varieties in order to capture a small premium in the clearfeild market. The program is supposed to be buy, JRI canola varieteies plus chem and fert to capture this premium. But, farmers with any clearfield canola can cash in on this premium if they push a little.
Most of the major line companies are pushing hard to tie farmers hands with these premiums for "all" their canola business, seed, fert, chem. The problem is most of their(JRI, Cargil) vateities are average at best and premiums get lost in yeild loss. There is still a big advantage as independent producers to produce the best canola varieties for their own farms and market this canola when you want, to whom you want, and at what price makes sense to your opperation and not theirs. My 2 cents.

[northfarmer]

I have seen the results of a number of on farm trials of hybrid canola and the top yielders are Dekalb 71-45 and Invigor 5020. Pioneer hybrids were in some of these trials but did perform as well.

The yields were still impressive for the heat and other stresses the crops seen this year.

These are available at the independent dealers in our area so no need to tie your marketing plans to your vendor.

Both of these top varieties are also available at my local Cargill and JRI and AU for that matter.

[furrowtickler]

Wich Pioneer Hy-bred varieties? 71-45 did very well in our area as well, but 5020 was consistantly 2 - 5 bus behind 45H72,45H24 and 45H25 in every case.
Regardless I agree, there is no need to tie your needs to any specific vendor.
Just a side note , Liberty Link varieties are no longer "king". There is an alternative for obtaining high yeilds with better weed control than a $24/ ac chem that does less than $2/ac Clearout. I know the $15/ac is still a pain in the a$$ but at least with the chem you get what you pay for. I have grown liberty back in the late '90's and know they have great genetics but terible chemistry. The new RR/CL Hibreds are yeilding = or better with way more consistant weed control, no one can oppose that at all.
Regardless of what variety or chem system fits your farm the point is, canola is all about having options buying and selling, keep them open, it will pay off in the near future.

[northfarmer]

most trial included 45H21, but some also inlcuded the new one, H24 and H25. They did repsectably and were cometitive but not as good as the 71-45 in the trials I saw the data from.

I agree the perception of Invigor dominance of yeild is starting top diminish or has been lost, and in a year of less than ideal growing conditions weed control was poor.

The tech fees have gotten so much scorn, but in the end is the least cost production system on our farm. When have you seen any real change in the cost per acre of weed control for liberty, clearfield, or even conventional canola when you can do two passes with clearout or renegeade for under 5 bucks......

i think the improving performance of the rr varieties in terms of yield and better agrononics will put pressure on the price points for the other systems as they lose share in the market. This should create more value for the farmer in the end, i hope

i am sure the seed companies will be rolling out their programs soon with the relatively early harvest completion in most areas.....

[SASKFARMER3]

Just harvested field 8 of 10 of 1st Gen Hybrid and it yeilded the same as local test plots or other 10 fields of HYBRID VARIETY. HM could they be blowing smoke up farmers back side.
SCALE WEIGHING AND GPS MAPPING. Yield is based on Growing conditins for your area, Fertility is big concern what one farmer does and anouther does are two different pies. RR technology doesnt work in real world after being one of their first Ginny Pigs we still have a new weed years later. Now in spring have to use 2-4d mixture with Roundup. extra cost. Liberty fields are cleaner the following year wonder why.

[SASKFARMER3]

One other note most RR varieties come in dead last in our area as far as yield is concerned.

[northfarmer]

in my area the liberty fields are full of thistle and foxtail....the rr stubble is clean ...

taking care of rr volunteers is easy work compared to the others left behind with liberty....but that being said this is more of a problem for guys that do not preharvest or use roundup at other times....

thanks for the agronomy lesson, but i learnt that 15 crops ago....i am talking liberty vs roundup, same field, same fertility, only difference is seed and chemistry....that is a true variety ansd system evaluation, not some anectdotal comparison, fields did just as good as other ones....that is the kind of baselss comparison i have to put up with at the coffee shop...

you must be long and Bayer stock, I would sell, rumor is they are laying off 1500 staff globally, maybe some of their patents are expired/expiring and the chinese are going to crank up production

[furrowtickler]

I could care less about binvigour btw. That is not the topic here, not getting tied up with contracts for canola production and canola systems is. Bayer will very soon cut the binvigour run anyway. If you do not like or value cert seed, fine but I would not yell too loud about you b/b canola bayer is listning. SAskfarmer, have you done side by side same feild, fert ect with b/b and cert seed?
Anyway, the canola contracts I was refering to are the clearfeild premiums with JRI. At .30 to .40/bus they sound attractive but their varieties are 5 -10 bus below other hy-breds. 45H72-73 are blowing away most other clearfeild varities in this area. But then again like NF indicated side by side is the only true reference.
SF, we have been there and done that with b/b seed treatments and chem control and value made this a non issue long ago, but if it works for you fine just keep a low profile Bayer may be head hunting soon. BASF is flexing it's power as we speak with b/b, just a word of caution. One local farm is getting dinged big time this fall.

[SASKFARMER3]

Its all great but monsanto took us down to their main operation back in the early 90s yes we desicate each fall all acres at .75 a liter and I have no willows etc or grass or thistles even the low spots are black.
All I am trying to say is that as farmers we are getting the shaft from these companys who give us just enough profit so we dont hang our selves. Patents are ending on 5 of the top chemicals we use now in the next year that is what they are woried about. Seed is where they can make a big profit from next they know that to bad the farmers cant figure that out.
They will offer seed with chemical and farmers will grab at the idea.
Just a simple lesson.
And Another thing after growing ****seed and canola for over 30 years we have tried it all.

[rainman]

Northfarmer, I am not loyal to any company and this year on my farm 71-45 performed really well. I usually grow all Invigor, but this year I tried a half section of 71-45 and it was a great variety. I did not have Invigor seeding in a side by side, but my neighbor directly to the south of me had 5020 and he said he got about 50bushels/acre on summerfallow. I put my 71-45 on barley stubble and it netted 47. It pops out of the ground fast and has early maturity. I can't look at whether Monsanto or Bayer makes the product on my farm, it all comes down to the money in my pocket at the end of the day. I also think Liberty is the crapiest chemical on the market, especially on barley. On the other hand I like seeding Invigor because you can get away with about 3.5 pounds per acre which cuts down on the my seed bill big time. I think it depends on the weeds in the field when looking ahead to next year. At least I know that there is a R.R that can keep up to the Invigors.

[youngbro]

Rainman what area do you farm in? Those are some awesome yields.

[booboo04]

I have seeded Independance canola and Invigor in the same year. I don't see the F1 hybrid outperforming the bin run independance. But you have to get a hold of some flee beatle protection like Imidacloprid, and some fugicide protection like Thiram.

And does anyone know where canola prices are headed, I kept 15,000 bushel back this year (would have been more but I only had 4 quarters and two received severe hail damage), only sold 1,400 bushel I had no room for. Most years I wait until the price goes down (sometimes I'm not too smart).

[rainman]

Youngbro, I farm in northeastern SK. That yield is definitely not typical on my farm, because most of my fields were water logged. That field is on hill with decent slope. My closest Invigor went 40, but it's hard to compare when fields are seeded at different times and locations. Either way I was very happy with the variety.

[rainman]

booboo04, I was at a marketing seminar today that was put on by Farmlink. They think that there should be no problem with the market hitting $8 by X-mas. There has been slow farmer selling and demand is there. I am not sure how credible Farmlink is, but hey it put a smile on my face. They expect carryout to be at 1.4 million tonnes and with the announcements of the crushing plants in Yorkton, carryout should support $8-8.50 canola according to them.

[joedales]

Has anyone used the Canola Council Variety Performance Database - seems to have alot of yield data?

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