Just in Price of Anhydrous Around World!

[bgmb]

SF, I agree we are getting screwed with the recent spike in N. But to read Burbert's post that they are going to just forget about N, that is not an option. Burbert go without N, let me know when your sale is.

[Burbert]

snappy, yeah me and all the orgasmic guys will go down soon and you dirt miners can move in and take over spread GMO clubroot all around. Right that'll be the day, boy. Lets face it you've got to pour on the N to keep going. By the way, you got to spray too, cause otherwise it don't work. Man you've got bankers, hands in your pocket all the time. I may end up going to YOUR sale, think about that young one..., If/when interest rates start to climb times will again get tough down home on the farm!

[SASKFARMER3]

Burburt I have to jump in here after 18 years of direct seeding system fert costs are down each year organic matter up spray costs are down with less tillage WO and other weeds not a big problem. GMO whats the problem David Suzuki.
Yes if interest rates go up we will have farmers dropping like flies (organic producers to) but the big cities and their debt load buy our urban cousins on a fixed wage will be way bigger impact on the Canadian economy and guess what paying a premium for some food will be the first area they cut to survive. Artsy fartsies drop like flies when the money train runs out.
THink your comments through you could be the first to drop if intrest rates go through the roof.

[Burbert]

Saskfarmer3, Your efforts are worthwhile, showing us, what we've suspected for a long time. Canadian farmers are getting screwed on fertilizer prices! So what are we going to do about it? Buy in bulk, large quantities, we may get a break, a special deal, cause I'm a good guy. Maybe save a few pennies, we all like a deal. We are all independent, so a co-operative effort is out of the question, and besides its commie at the best of times. Here's what we do, suck it up, use less, hope for the best... Each and every year, that is what happens, reality sets in. Should be a good year though, cause grain prices are up, maybe we'll spend a bit more and make it up on yield, plant more, get more, market smarter, round and round it goes, where it stops nobody knows. Maybe buy some lottery tickets too, or stop in at the casino, roll the dice. Wouldn't it be nice to hit it once? Chances are better in the casino than on the farm, but what the heck the farm takes up our spare time, and is more fun, I love challenges. After all it if doesn't work out we can all start whinning at the same time, that'll get the government's attention and maybe another handout or two!!

[darren442]

I agree with Burbert. I agree with all you farmers but listen to this. I heard the exact complaints from my grandfather and my father who farmed and that is why i don't farm. Instead i thought making 40,000. a year and not having no RV or boat or brand new 4x4 truck and never going on vacation or a $200,00 tractor or combine big house, or cattle was worth it, but hey having $400 left every month for me is better then farming. THINGS AREN"T going to change anytime soon unless something drastic happens. Prices are like the weather deal with them, and try and make the best of it. Make your farm as effecient as you can and market the best and smartest way you can. using less N isn't the answer, using N in more effecient ways is. How many of you divide a quater section up each year for field trials to find better ways of dong things. How many use GPS on your Tractor and combine for yield mapping. Use software to work out bad yielding areas in your field. How many of you are loyal to a fert/chem dealer that you never check prices but you will shop all over town for the best price of a $20.00 part to save a buck or two. I know you guys get screwed over and i wish i was farming but i know what i'm in for, and i also know when alot of you farmers retire there is going to be ALOT of farm sales at once and that is not good for any of us. So what can we do about the prices that effect every farmer honestly i don't know.

[darren442]

And here is another bit of info. This fall we all heard about the possible shortage of 46-0-0.Dealers got the same info possibly more and were told to start stocking up. Here is what unfolded in my area. Some retailers looked up last years tonnage they sold and order as much as they could to equal that numnber.They stored were they could and got there customers to buy then and take delivery ASAP. This dealer has enough 46 for there customers and everyone who bought got 46 for under the 400 mark. The next dealer was trying so hard to get new customers he shoved the price of 46 out the door at a price that retails couldn't even buy it for.Then when they were told no more 46 to be sold and the price was going up 20-30 bucks a week they had to tell some guys who already paid for there 46 they couldn't get it or they price was now higher becuase they finally realized that there loyal customers were now in danger of not getting 46. The next dealer did not buy anything when told to and when he finally realized what happed he paid through the nose and now they do not no if they can even get enough 46 for their customers. the last dealer still has a belief that 46 price will drop and the shortage is all a big marketing skeem to get people to buy and he has not pre ordered anything and now he knows that there is not a tonne for sale anywhere and he begins if search by calling dealers to try and find any extra 46.

So now if any one thinks that if they use less N it will hurt any retails or the big guys think again it will just free up some tonnes to sell to the the guy in need.

And yes i'm having a bad day !!! LOL

[SASKFARMER3]

Darren your not only having a bad day hell knock that chip off your shoulder.
he is simple facts read the post its about the difference between US price for nitrogen and Canadian, Yes their is a shortage of 46-0-0 but every farmer thought of that but if you use gas as the thread implies you cant get much prebuy and take product home.
and on the rest of your gibberish most farmers are doing exactly what your saying GPS trial etc.

[darren442]

Actually all of our customers who use juice have already bought the Nh3 and almost every tonne of everything we have ordered has been prebought. And as far as that other gibberish it's not . Go and work by the hour saskfarmer and see the gov take a ¼ of your pay. I deal with farmers everyday and i actually have to say that 90% of my customers say that there life is pretty good oh it could be better but whos couldn't be. And actaully Saskfarmer Northamerica farmers have been paying less for all types of N for years that is fact and that is part of the reason we are in the spot we are. Why would Egypt ect sell North America fert when they can sell to say china and they will pay more. And since china has opened it doors to import more N that has happened. And to be honest the NH3 is only 5-7 cents cheaper then 46 and for my money and my customers money NH3 is not the best N source. And we will be getting rid of our tank finally in the next 2-3 years.

[Burbert]

Every year the sky is falling, the sky is falling, somewhere in agriculture. No there will be enough fertilizer to go around, don't have a panic attack. As I said before, a big crop, will go in the ground. Everyone is excited this year, grain prices are good. Fertilizer companies are poised to take advantage of us AGAIN. Lots of summer fallow on our farm, assures us of a good crop. with the use of a little N, its like money in the bank. Some crop insurance and relax, go fishing. Guess I have some smarts after all!!!! Use it or lose it, N that is big guys, after all you produce 80% of the crop. You can get rich this year, maybe. By the way, natural gas is cheap this year, soooooo why is anhydrous so expensive? Its the Americans, they always screw things up for us little Canadian cousins. But have no fear, we'll get even with them, ripping our oil resources out of the ground and selling it to America at inflated prices. After all, apparently we have to or so says THE NAFTA agreement. My only question is, did we get slickered again? Did Bulroney sell us out at the trade talks?

[darren442]

All i have to say about the shortage of N from working in a retail. There were times the plant actually closed down and we could not get out shipments because there were out of N, trucks were turned away and we had to wait and every pound of N was paid in full by us.There was a shortage this fall and we had a real tuff time getting all we needed and that is the honest truth. I just hope everything turns around but our cost today is over $500 and still going up.

I just hope that in the coffe shop here under crop production we can all stop jumping on the complain trian about things that happen every year and will always happen. There are people that wait until the fuel price gets high then goes and gets everyone going one it just to get sit back and get the thirll of watching what he started. There are issues that happen every year i'm tired of hearing about them year after year. If everything is so bad sell off and move to town. I love to help farmers do there job and enjoy seeing things work out for them. So lets start talking about crop production and maybe if you have done field trials and tried new ideas and products share them with us so we can all do better and make some money. Stop beating a dead horse, or at least complain about something new.

[furrowtickler]

Darren, how many of your customers are aware of "alpine" orthophos? We tried it last year and were very impresed, as a replacement for 12-51. Easy to apply and very efficient compared to 12-51. Tissue samples taken at flag leaf showed no diff in phos levels. We also seen faster emergence, faster - ealier plant growth and 2-4 bus yeild advantage.
We were told alpine at 3 gal/ac would not be enough to replace 25 lbs/ac 12-51 but it was and more. 100% seed safe and instantly avail for plant uptake.
Our on farm fert trials have been very valuable and agree that every farm should do them. Most progressive guys do but they are still too heavily influanced by the mainsteam fert/seed/chem companies. Thinking outside the box on a few acres a year can pay off big dividends.
One other product we tried a few years ago is called "dynagrow" from bioagronics. A liquid fertilizer product that is applied at the time of sprying. Cost - about $5/ac. In the years we have seen an 8 bus/ac adv in peas, 4 bus/ac in can, and 4 bus/ac in hrsw with a .7% increase in protien. Also with dynagrow we cut herbicides by 30-60% with exellent results.

[SASKFARMER3]

Darren you talk a good talk but quit BS us on all your hardship working in the Fert industry BO HO!
Explain to me why Anhydrous in ND is selling for canadian equivalent ton and Dollar difference etc and short ton to Canadian at .37 delivered to the farm.

[Burbert]

Saskfarmer3 Yeah and why is gasoline cheaper in the US than in Canada? We extract it, pipeline it, refine it, then give it to the Americans, apparently cause the NFTA agreement says we got to, thanks Mr. Bulroney!!

[FarmRanger]

Burbert We don’t “give” anything to the Americans. They pay full price.

I suspect that our gas at the pumps is higher because our governments require an additive to be present in Canadian fuel. The concentration of the additive varies across the country, and in most cases it is present in higher concentrations than what you find south of the border. The additive doesn’t help the engine in any way, does nothing to improve fuel economy, and is of course, taxes.