looking for polish canola

[Ron]

Does anybody know where I can find polish canola? I am thinking about 1000 lb?
Thanks

[parsley]

Ron, I just picked some certified ACS-C7 up from a guy near Margo. Unfortunately that evening we got 1.4 inches. He's charging 85 Cents untreated. How late do you think you'll seed it? How long do I have? I'm thinking crop insurance deadline isthe absolute limit. I've only grown polish once before, planting it on the 22 of June, and harvesting number one, but with the weeds out of hand it yielded 10 ish.

[Ron]

I grew reward about 10 years ago, seeded mid may, yielded 30 ish. I will grit my teeth and seed it up to july 1 with a yield target of 20 bushels (which means 0 fert by my soil test). If nothing else it should dry the soil out and I can straight cut it. I plan on preseeding burnoff and I have a couple cases of fusion from pre roundup days so my inputs will be minimal.
This is assuming I can get it in by July 1 of course. If not? Buy cows and swath graze?

[Ron]

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Could you send me the contact info for the guy at Margo please? And I have no idea if July 1 is even possible for canola to mature, just going by what Poorboy said in his gopher post. Trying to dry the soil out as much as anything else (although no nitrogen, straight cut etc, who knows?).


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[poorboy]

Make sure you seed it shallow and a heavy rate. You want lots of plants to push the maturity.

[poorboy]

How heavy? Is polish highly responsive o fertility?

[poorboy]

This is just my opinion, so take it at that. I live in an area with a longer frost free season, so it may apply to you. Polish canola yields less, so I would only fertilize at 2/3 of the rate you use on Argentine canola or it will lodge early and not yield well.

I would buy the untreated seed and put about 10 lbs/ac down. If seeded shallow, hopefully the seed treatment is not needed because of the warmer days. This limits your cost to 8.50/ac, so even if it doesn't work you are not out much.

Do a burn down and limited disturbance seeding and hopefully you won't have too many weeds. Big seeding rates help somewhat. Grass weeds can be sprayed out with lots of different products and Muster will take out stinkweed.

Because of the lack of seed treatment, keep an eye out for flea beetles. Most likely they will not bother because of the fast growing.

Plants that are seeded later will mature in much less days than a plant seeded in April. Not sure how many days you will need though.

In 2005 when I seeded my polish canola into the gopher spots on my argentine field, my argentine canola was at the 6 leaf stage and was a #2 at harvest and the polish was a #1 grade. Yield was about 35 with the polish and 40 with the argentine. Swathing in the fall if it is late will help push the maturity some over straight cutting. Polish canola str cuts well.

[rodb]

We need Murray to give his comments. When he was our DA he looked at a field of polish canola that we had emergence problems with. It would have been this time of year and he said that we would be just as far ahead leaving as reseeding as they both would end up about the same yield.

If one had a crystal ball and could figure out that killing frost one should go for it. It will be vey disappointing after growing some of the Argentines, especially the Liberty Links

I have resigned myself to seeding winter wheat and having some chem fallow for next year. Got 20 mm in 20 minutes tonight to give us 25mm in 24 hours. Sprayer tracks were full before it rained.

[mhartman]

Days to maturity for Polish canola in AB ranges from 100 days in short season zones (areas with cooler nights, less heat units) to 85 days in southern AB. Seeding in early June will cut perhaps a week off maturity compared to seeding in early May.
Outside of southern AB, most other areas of AB will get a killing fall frost around the first week to middle of September. Pencil arithmetic then shows that seeding Polish canola after mid-June probably has 50/50 chance or worse of beating the fall frost.
Increasing the seeding rate, lowering N and increasing P fertilizer rate will shave a few days off maturity.
I would be vigilant in scouting the field during emergence since flea beetles can be very active with the warmer temperatures in mid-summer.
I can't recall any successful late June Polish canola seeding stories outside southern AB.
Other than growing a barley or oat silage / greenfeed crop, the next best alternative for these wet fields may be to plant winter wheat this fall. There should be stubble standing for snowtrap and better winter survival of the winter wheat. When they had the wet spring in Manitoba a few years ago, guys would let the weeds and volunteers grow up a bit and then spray it to create a stubble effect.
Sorry I don't have any better advice for these wet fields!

[Ron]

thanks for your thoughts murray. I went back to work and it is like a holiday compared to seeding. I am debating barley silage IF it dries up a lot. I have had enough of playing in the mud for this year.
I harrowed some canola stubble and there is virtually no trash, how high do I let the weeds grow before spraying? Its a fine line between catching snow and robbing nutrients?
Thanks

[nicolaas]

I seeded 400 acres of polish on the 6th, 7th of June. Found some brown bagged seed at 95% germ for $9.00/bushel. Seeded at 6.5 lbs/acre. Should have cut N2, but put on same fert as my argentine. It definitly is too late to seed now, but I am north of edmonton and have seeded polish up to 16th of june no problem. If we have a hot july/august, it may not be too late though? With untreated seed make sure you spray for bugs as soon as the plants begin to come up, or you will be VERY sorry, as I am this year with about 100 acres worth. (at $4.00/acre, way cheaper than treated seed- just do a preemtive strike!!)