Time to boot zero till?

[furrowtickler]

Thats the theory colleville, but Alpine users in Ontario who have been using Alpine for 15 years are not seeing that show up in any soil tests. soil P has not changed or slightly incresed. Time will tell here - different cliamte and soil structure. We have seen no change yet in 3 years, short time frame though.

[AG_guy]

This is not an overnight recovery system. It does take time to rebuild your soil. There are products out there ( not sure if in canada yet ) then can help you get back your soil health. Remember the foliars. they can add your nutrients in the mean time. There are many many guys out there just using 28-0-0 and some sulphur and thats it. Remember 28-0-0 has 3 lbs of N per gallon and 50% s plant available right away and you can also add agrotain with it. There are also products out there that help in the avaibility and uptake of the N in
28-0-0 so you need much less maybe half. This is not some fly by night system farmers are doing this all over the world and there is a huge backing behind it. It's not convetional farming nor is it organic it's having the soil healthy enough to support itself but yet adding a bit of nutrients to increase yield and push it along. What is on top of the ground is your last worry what your soil is doing should be your first thought.

I need to find that article in the western producer that talks about P.
I believe it was from an agronimst from austalia who is a pretty wild thinker. and will this work on every soil type all across canada not likely so thats why if you know you have problem soils it may just be that you have to keep on doing what your doing and theres nothing wrong with that.

For years and years even going back to the 1921 people have been talking about the problems that could occur with over fertilization. And when an organic farmer can yield just as good as a conventional farmer then maybe it has happened.