CBC: Women under appreciated in agriculture.

[Braveheart]

Blaithin, thanks for the honesty. It was enlightening.

I don't like the word "feminism". It sounds like a word that divides. But your comment that sometimes what you see is subconscious struck me. So, what can we do better? Will attitudes eventually change with generational change?

[sumdumguy]

CBC is unappreciated. Let's trade them for Syrians.

[Blaithin]

Braveheart, yes Feminism seems to be earning the context of women over men and that's not its definition at all. Which is unfortunate, it's a good word in its natural state.

As for the subconscious, I think most of it is just how we grew up. Most "sexism" for lack of a more suitable word, isn't actually about women not being able to do certain things but more that we should be doing certain other things. Getting married, having babies, putting supper on the table. My mom, who is a big supporter of farming and grew up on a farm, is reknowned for telling me my life is unbalanced because I'm not out looking for a husband and settling down. I think standards like this are going to change with the generations as my generation approached relationships much differently than my Moms and Grandparents. (For better or worse LOL)

But how could we maybe stop such slapstick judgements? It's hard, everyone judges. Personally I really dislike generalizing so I try hard not to do that and it helps a lot in judging people on their own actions instead of others actions. I also try to understand where someone is coming from of they're making comments. The guy at the interview really annoyed me for instance. That was pure ignorance. The guys at work just amused me because they don't even realize what they were saying and how it might be offensive.

Also a big part of today's sexism challenges is how sensitive some people are. Not only, all or just Millennials, but people from all walks of life and ages. Most sexist things are, and probably always will be,tongue in cheek jokes so as long as someone has a healthy sense of humour, life will be much easier.

[iceman]

Dad should appreciate their help and invest in a cordless grease gun

Jokes aside this is a liberal story at its finest. Women have been spending time in the fields since forever. Slow news day in liberal land by the looks of it

Iceman Out

[Jay-mo]

Is it just me or does anyone else see these type of articles as condescending?

[sawfly1]

of all people , even i , a cbc fan ( at of least the informative and thoughtful stuff)

it is getting more than a little out of hand. so much so i am beginning to agree
with a lot of you

, by trying to create issues like this out of nothing.

and inclusive is fine , and dealing with issues is fine too .
but the constant LGBT and now
native /metis , all the time.

give it a rest.

the icing on the cake , was yesterday.
the canada reads cbc show.
first was cathy palmater .going on about the newest bitch.
the 60s scoop. adopting native kids.

then chantel chraviasic, the singer ,another book reviewer, had to stay in L.A. because her kid was in hospital with a bad asthma attack.
which she blamed totally on global warming

and no one called BS on anything.
very disappointing.

the sad part is , crap like this will take the good parts that are left , down with them.

[Blaithin]

Just a question to the guys who replied along these lines to this thread...

Why do you think news outlets are being too liberal or creating issues out of nothing or having slow news days when they write articles such as this one?

Obviously some women feel this way at times. Myself, others, ladies interviewed in such articles, etc. Which suggests there is still an issue out there regarding sexual discrimination.

Have you ever paused to think that completely denying the fact that there are people effected by this is a form of sexual discrimination in itself? Insinuating we're maybe being too sensitive or possibly don't know our own experiences and rely on the news to influence us unduly.

Sexism affects men too. That's undeniable. And any time I think I might be getting close to being overly discriminatory to men I stop and think how would I feel if someone told me that?

How would you as men feel if you were told you were being too sensitive or emotional? Or if you were told you need a woman to get ahead in life, you can't do it on your own?

You're probably going to reply something along the lines of "Oh, I've been told those things before. It was a joke!" And yes, a lot of it starts as a joke. That doesn't mean it doesn't lose its humour after a while.

Let's try an example here.

I think men are all too sensitive and defensive over articles about discrimination against women. It's like you all take it as a personal insult and might have a bit of a guilty conscience that you feel must be vehemently covered in denial that there's an issue at all.

There, I've generalized you all together, insinuated the issue is really a fault of yours, not ours, and pretty much said suck it up.

[15444]

Just a question to the guys who replied along these lines to this thread...

Why do you think news outlets are being too liberal or creating issues out of nothing or having slow news days when they write articles such as this one?

Obviously some women feel this way at times. Myself, others, ladies interviewed in such articles, etc. Which suggests there is still an issue out there regarding sexual discrimination.

Have you ever paused to think that completely denying the fact that there are people effected by this is a form of sexual discrimination in itself? Insinuating we're maybe being too sensitive or possibly don't know our own experiences and rely on the news to influence us unduly.

Sexism affects men too. That's undeniable. And any time I think I might be getting close to being overly discriminatory to men I stop and think how would I feel if someone told me that?

How would you as men feel if you were told you were being too sensitive or emotional? Or if you were told you need a woman to get ahead in life, you can't do it on your own?

You're probably going to reply something along the lines of "Oh, I've been told those things before. It was a joke!" And yes, a lot of it starts as a joke. That doesn't mean it doesn't lose its humour after a while.

Let's try an example here.

I think men are all too sensitive and defensive over articles about discrimination against women. It's like you all take it as a personal insult and might have a bit of a guilty conscience that you feel must be vehemently covered in denial that there's an issue at all.

There, I've generalized you all together, insinuated the issue is really a fault of yours, not ours, and pretty much said suck it up.

My issue is that nothing will be done about it, whether it is discussed or not. Just get people hot and bothered about it, do the Canuck method and call a public inquiry, blow a shitload of dollars, file a report 3 years later and the government pats itself on the back and says they did what they could. Same people who actually think a MMIW inquiry is going to accomplish anything besides show that alcoholism, depression and suicide is rampant in the Indian population and that Indian racism is rampant in the white population. But we'll spend 10 million+ to get a piece of paper that says just that. It's not that the government is going to write a 1 trillion dollar cheque to bring Indian standard of living up to white man standards.

[Blaithin]

My issue is that nothing will be done about it, whether it is discussed or not. Just get people hot and bothered about it, do the Canuck method and call a public inquiry, blow a shitload of dollars, file a report 3 years later and the government pats itself on the back and says they did what they could. Same people who actually think a MMIW inquiry is going to accomplish anything besides show that alcoholism, depression and suicide is rampant in the Indian population and that Indian racism is rampant in the white population. But we'll spend 10 million+ to get a piece of paper that says just that. It's not that the government is going to write a 1 trillion dollar cheque to bring Indian standard of living up to white man standards.

I can understand that.

Personally I consider it an individual issue, not something the government can regulate. There's enough equal opportunity employment stuff out, don't need more and more programs.

But I do like articles like this to pop up now and then to get people to think. News, even more than providing information, should make people think. Just like this discussion is making us think.

[tweety]

Blaithlin, professional women in agriculture don't want to be recognized and appreciated for being women. They want to be appreciated for their knowledge and contribution, no different then a male. Sex is irrelevant, or at least should be. That is what the article should be about. Forced appreciation is never the way to go.