Agr. Sprays

[DanMoore]

Forgot the paste.
http://www.netlink.de/gen/Zeitung/2000/001015a.html
http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/service9.htm
http://www.mindfully.org/GE/GE2/Less-Corn-2001.htm
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/13954/newsDate/8-Jan-2002/story.htm
http://www.ag.iastate.edu/centers/leopold/newsletter/2001-4leoletter/gmo.html
http://www.fbworld.com/Mag/4_NF_June_July.htm
http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan2002/2002L-01-16-04.html
http://www.greenpeace.org/pressreleases/geneng/2001aug15.html
http://www.agresearch.cri.nz/scied/search/biotech/resources_biotechthissite.htm
http://www.agribiz.com/newsbio.html

Lots more to read with over 10k returns to search for GMO study.

[nakodo]

The OECD has done studies that show poverty is being reduced in any country where there is not a civil war. Technology and new varieties, fertilizers and chemicals are all bringing the average lifespan of children and adults up (again if there is not a civil war). Much of the starvation of the world and most of the poverty is linked to warlords using available resources to fight a war and not to build the logistics needed to deliver the food to where it is needed. redirecting fuel to tanks and jeeps instead of tractors and rice to feed armies or to sell offshore for currency to buy more weapons or to pay soldiers.

GMO's will not feed these people perhaps, but I sure as heck know they cannot afford to buy organic produce from Canada nor can the lowered yields in large tract organic fields in their own countries support them. Lets deal with the real issue and let the agonizing of our rich western ego's stay in Canada where we have lots to eat and no one is shooting at us and let the other nations look after their own people.

[cakadu]

Good point, Nakodo. During my recent trip to Chile to study globalization and it's impacts on a developing country, we found out that they are trying to get into organic production in a big way. Their climate is conducive to not using pesticides, so they are trying to get into the export game for organics. They are boarded by the Andes to the east, desert to the north, Antarctica to the south and have ocean around them, which cuts down significantly on their pests and pesticide use.

They are very much aware that in their own country, people cannot afford to pay any premiums for organic and it sells for the same price as non-organic food. What the Chileans see is opportunities in other countries because they are willing to pay. They don't currently have much in the way of political strife, but they emerged from significant difficulties and are now trying to put themselves into the global game in a big way.

[cakadu]

Danno: you have alittle to much organic fertilizer on the inside of your boots.

Politics is what causes stravation agmonst the millions not the lack of food. If we gave the food away they would still go hungery, price has nothing to do with the problem. We done need a speech on which food is more nutritional then the other either. Human ego is the problem.

Life will always be a struggle for most of us creatures of mother nature and techicnology and common sense must prevail if we are to progress as a human race.

[DanMoore]

Krnl,
It is that limit focus of thinking that lead to this mess. Politics is under the thumb of the money. The money is in the hands of big business; you know the guys you buy the seed, fertilizer, chemicals and prescriptions from. The poor at the bottom have not the money to buy beyond the basic flour and rice. As you say, even if the food is given away, the local government gives it to those least in need. DO REFRAIN from the abusive expressions; you and I are not the only one reading these.

[DanMoore]

Danmoore, sorry if I have abused you. Your sensitivity brings on censorship for an expression that was meant to be humorous.I will be more careful in the choice of my words for the minds of the sensitive and for the eyes of the innocent.

If large corporations are such criminals of society, may the computer that you are using evaporate right in front of you, for it was made by one of those profit taking and money gouging big corporations that are so sinfull. Plus the computer is an unhealthy object made from plastic,metal chemicals and inundating you with radiation and electrical fields. Those coporations are going to take our money and then suck the very life right out of us.

Most everything that we have today is the result of big publicly traded corporations. The wealth is huge in the free world and it is for anybody to have including farmers if you don't limit yourself to unfounded ideas and beliefs.

Keep an open mind and watch others who are pospering and apply the knowledge to your own well being.

I will put the above message into another choice of words that I hope will play with your sensitive mind and touch your funny bone. Try to keep the organic fertilizer on the outside of your boots.

The Kernel (Sorry have a good day)

[countryguy]

Kernel,I just re-read this thread and have a couple questions for ya.Who declared gmo food the safest food in the world?Do YOU honestly think such a declaration can be valid considering the fact that gmo foods have only been in existence since the mid 90's?There are rats that have been tested that have shown intestinal changes after eating a diet of gmo potatos.

PS.Take it easy on me eh!

[cakadu]

Like many urban myths that refuse to go away, this potato study is a number of years old already and was proven by others in the scientific community to be severly flawed in methodology, hence the results cannot be substantiated and in the case of science experiments, replicated.

In recent months there have been other findings that those in the scientific community have been able to show have been flawed in terms of references quoted - they didn't exist - reference studies being misquoted and the list went on.

As one can guess, the scientific community is also divided on this issue and has some very polarized viewpoints. What we need are credible, statistically significant tests i.e. that they are correct 19/20 times, that are in turn peer reviewed for accuracy.

For those of us that can remember back to when canola was known as ****seed, there was a particular component in it that could not be digested by humans, so they genetically modified it using traditional plant breeding techniques so that it could be utilized by humans. It has been going gangbusters ever since.

I do maintain that I am neither for or against GMO's (although I dislike the use of that term, because everything is genetically modified over time and we have been eating a very popular genetically modified product for years - canola). What I want to see is sound, logical, credible information that comes to me in non-scientific jargon so that I have something that I can base my decisions on.

[cakadu]

I couldn't agree with you more Cakado. Thanks for your input.

The Kernel

[jensco]

Me three!!!