Sprayer water.

[farmaholic]

Looked up the pH of some glyphosate products on their MSDS. They were around 4.5-5. So you would think taking the water pH down to that level would be alot better than mixing it with something 9.25, that's quite a spread(pH scale goes from 0 to 14). I would guess some glyphosate would be neutralized(lost), but don't know....

I got quoted about $45 for a bit over 20 liters(23Kg) of hydro chloric acid(HCL 31.45%). With it being so acidic.... supposedly less than a pH of 1... a little would go a long way. Dangerous as hell though---eyes, skin and fumes.

So if 50 mls of LI700 at about pH 3.6 took ten liters of source water(9.25) down to about 5.5 pH.... just think how little of something with a pH of less than one you would need.

How much of the acidic nature of the glyphosate is contributed from the active ingredient and how much from the "carrier"?

9.25 pH might be too much to overcome without loses in active ingredient.

Can anyone definitively answer this?

[tweety]

Holy shit farma, buy some decent water for a nickel an acre. Or a dime maybe.

[Klause]

Have a read farma

[URL="http://oregonstate.edu/dept/nursery-weeds/feature_articles/spray_tank/spray_tank.htm"]http://oregonstate.edu/dept/nursery-weeds/feature_articles/spray_tank/spray_tank.htm[/URL]

[farmaholic]

Holy shit farma, buy some decent water for a nickel an acre. Or a dime maybe.

Lol tweety....alot of untreated water would probably have an issue of some sort.

If I bought the water at the community(the water is R.O. water) I live near it would cost $1.00/25 Imp gallons (113 liters or basically 30 US gallons). At 5 gpa its cost would be about 16.5 cents and at 10 gpa -31 cents....AND ABOVE ALL THEY DON'T WANT ME THERE WITH THE SPRAYER NURSE TANK WITH A CHEM HANDLER AND MAYBE CHEMICAL THAT CLOSE TO THE TREATMENT PLANT....EVEN MORE....I don't want the liability.

For God's sake...just trying to solve a minor water issue....not split atoms. It's not that difficult, just trying to find the best method and how low to take the pH.

[farmaholic]

Your spraying boys , not filling the hot tub !

I want it good enough to mix with whiskey!

[Rareearth]

That's a good article Klause thanks.

Phosphoric acid, the high % stuff green house quality works.

Not sure what the water treatment plants use in the cities?

[blackpowder]

Ive never used any and tested, but some companies have ph amendment products with mix rates suggested. Omex Phix for example.
Stuck with well water here.

[tweety]

Lol tweety....alot of untreated water would probably have an issue of some sort.

If I bought the water at the community(the water is R.O. water) I live near it would cost $1.00/25 Imp gallons (113 liters or basically 30 US gallons). At 5 gpa its cost would be about 16.5 cents and at 10 gpa -31 cents....AND ABOVE ALL THEY DON'T WANT ME THERE WITH THE SPRAYER NURSE TANK WITH A CHEM HANDLER AND MAYBE CHEMICAL THAT CLOSE TO THE TREATMENT PLANT....EVEN MORE....I don't want the liability.

For God's sake...just trying to solve a minor water issue....not split atoms. It's not that difficult, just trying to find the best method and how low to take the pH.

You mean that in your local community town people flush their toilets with RO water or that caustic dirty crap you spray with?

If not, what are they using? What is the town water condition? Are you farming in Delhi perhaps?

[farmaholic]

You mean that in your local community town people flush their toilets with RO water or that caustic dirty crap you spray with?

If not, what are they using? What is the town water condition? Are you farming in Delhi perhaps?

Tweety,

Yes they are flushing their toilets with RO water!!! Town has a Uranium(or is it arsenic) levels above tolerances.... our farm is probably on the same aquifer and I don't glow at night or feel poisoned either...I don't see a problem.


We can't complain too much about the herbicide results from spray water we're using. I just think we could get better, or equal results with less glyphosate if the water was conditioned. .....instead of using the glyphosate itself as a conditioner.




Yes, thanks Klause, that was a good read.

[sk_wheatking]

Save the water for your rye farmaholic. Pump straight roundup through those nozzles of you can and maybe you will see the kill results your looking for!