New Holland Bale Wagon Advice

[oxbow]

Since I can sell small squares pretty well, I asked my local NH dealer about a bale wagon. He said he knew nothing about them except they're mostly used in Canada. Would anyone with experiance with either pull type or self propelled suggest what I should look for and avoid? Where do they break down or wear out? We have alot of hay that I can't get rid of, and I'm thinking about square baling some next year. Would a bale wagon handle 500 to 1000 tons in a season? Thanks for your input.

[magpie]

I suppose there are good and bad points to zoning. Before BSE became the major crisis, it was TB that was the hoop we were jumping thru. Zoning comes with extra costs and only leaves a smaller group of voices to fend for themselves. We all know how hard it is to get the governments ear. Numbers of voices are important key in solving problems. On the other hand, not the whole country is crippled and life could go on as normal. Sort of on the fence on this one.

[WoolyBear]

The whole point of investigating the idea of zoning Canada was to better control the spread of diseases like Hoof and Mouth. It had been thought that the border crossing at West Hawk Lake could be shut quickest and thus hopefully stop the spread of H & M whether it started in Quebec or in Alberta (sorry for using these two in my example). Another zone might have been BC, and of course PEI and Nfld. If I ever find the report about it (George Morris Center I think) I'll pass along the link.

This isn't a pork thing..........its a Canadian Livestock thing. CPC was just co-ordinating some of the research.

[15444]

This is probably one of the better ideas I have heard in awhile. Although I do not think that it should be exercised to any extent except if there is some kind of disease outbreak, like H&M. This would actually be quite efficient as their are so few access roads or barges to many areas of provinces. In reality, every province or (in some cases) group of provinces could be isolated into zones. PEI, NS, NF, and the border between Manitoba and Ontario could be used to create isolated zones. The only places that would be hard to zone into individual provinces would be PQ/ONT and MB/SK/AB. The West Hawk Lake point would be a critical point as it is only one highway and offers a fair distance between farms, an important aspect when dealing with H&M.

[WoolyBear]

CPC voices support for proposed Canadian plan for zoning
September 2, 2004, Farmscape (Episode 1593)
The Canadian Pork Council says a plan to divide Canada into two separate regions for the purpose of disease surveillance and control is the first step toward establishing zoning within Canada. A plan
developed by the Canadian Animal Health Coalition calls for the establishment of two separate zones in Canada with the dividing point to be located at the single crossing between Manitoba and
Ontario at West Hawk Lake. The plan, which has been circulated to the various commodity groups and to government, is intended to allow the export of animals and animal products from one zone to continue in the event of an animal disease outbreak in the other zone. www.farmscape.ca

I'm still looking for the actual report

[wd40]

This has to be a GOOD PLAN
I;m sure you remember shortly after May 20 the Minister of Ag from Ontario wanted to call it a Western Canadian problem and "Regionalize". Lets go for it! And keep the transfer paments here too.

[kato]

How can it be good? Eastern Canada can technically call itself BSE free, and we're on our own, boys.

REALLY on our own.

Am I the only one feeling a bit abandoned here?

I can see it for contagious diseases, but not for what we are living with now. If they drew a line at the MB/ON border, they could allowed beef exports from Eastern Canada only, and we might as well pack up and move to town.

What little attention we have gotten from our politicians would be considered outstanding compared to how they would listen to us if Ontario and Quebec were not involved.

We would not exist. We are too few to matter.

[ivbinconned]

"By next spring"????

Is this why so many calves have been leaving for Quebec?

[wd40]

KATO - you said it right on - take a look at what you read. Eastern Canada views us just like the US does, always has and always will. If we weren't subsidizing the east we could easily take care of our selves.

It's called Eastern Math 101

[Bez]

wd40 - whoa up there. Some of us in the east actually do know what it's like - and surprizingly enough some of us can work cattle and throw a rope.

There's a pile of us out here in the east hurting as well. We few folks making our living on the ground here are ruled by the "centre of the universe - hog town" and it's rotten, crime ridden, politically correct, gutless wonders who run it. It's not an advantage.

I live so close to the Franco border that I can spit over it when the wind blows hard enough. I also happen to have a few cows in Alberta.

We are not all ass holes who think like what you read in the press.

Most of us are on the way down - banks have about a dozen in my area - more to come this winter. I may be one. Trust me we do not all agree with our so called "ag leaders".

We do not have a "Ralph" we have a lyin' sob called Dalton - count your blessings few as they may be at this time.

ivbinconned - calves go to Que because they get a 300 canuckleheaded buck per head subsidy direct from the province - on top of the fed stuff.

As well, they have a farmers union that takes crap from NO ONE - otherwise they dump manure and milk at the gates of their political rulers - they are militant and it works. Very militant - and they march at the drop of a hat. Police do not bother them - the union is not afraid to go physical. They want something, they damn well get it - or the province comes to a screeching halt. I've seen it - and I've seen the politicos cower.

We could take a few lessons from them.

Bez

[cowman]

Maybe we need to import a few of these frenchmen to show us how it is done? Seems to me they have their act together and know how to get things done?
Actually I kind of like the whole concept of deviding the country into zones! Maybe we could do it for just about everything? Maybe things like healthcare, education, language policy, enviro standards, gun control, taxation etc.?
In fact, we could take it a step further, and make the "zones" basically autonomous? That way the "zones" could take care of their own people, make their own laws and rules, pay their own way? How about four "zones"? Ontario, Quebec, Maritimes, western Canada? Maybe we could scrap our useless Parliment and just have four leaders sitting down once a month to kind of co-ordinate things? Each "zone" could have their own money or we could just use the American buck?
Sounds good to me.

[ivbinconned]

Welcome aboard Bez; Cowman and I have been preaching for a couple decades that there is nothing "equal" in the way the feds treat the provinces. In fact we are treated, each, in a very SEPERATE manner. So we just want to make it official!!

Bez perhaps you could enlighten us as to how the the re-named ASRA program works in Quebec and rewards Quebec feeders with the $300 per calf?

[ALLFARMER]

The NH 1033 was if I remember correctly a 103 bale unit (a pull type) I sold NH parts for 3.5 yrs and sold close to nothing on these pickers. The 1033 in my opinion was the most common models built. Brake pads on the third table is on thing to check out. The other is a plastic pulley or something to do with the bale positioning Good luck

[les]

used a nh 1037 for years...20000 or more bales a year and had no problems with it at all.

[carebear300]

I bought my 1033 balewagon new in 1978 and have had very good luck with it. We just use it for straw bales the last couple of years but up until then used it for everything. There is a little bicycle chain and sprockets on the hydraulic pump that have to be changed quite regularly(chain once a year). We have had trouble with the springloaded cables and brakes on the load table. Nothing to really watch for except that it hasn't been abused too badly, for example everthing is pretty straight. I really dont think that you can wear them completely out but I guess anything is possible.