And speaking of junk science.

[charliep]

With a properly functioning certification system, Eastern Europe and former Soviet Union could easily supply 100 % of the organic market in Europe. They are low input users already by necessity (no money). The favorate topics during my Ukraine visits was organic marketing (four years ago now). They know the market exists and are figuring out how to access.

China is one of the biggest investors in biotech. They almost approved genetic events for rice but backed off commercialization. Full bore ahead on research however.

Perhaps one of the North America's organic industries challenges is to tighten up their supply chain. Sounds tight to me now but it would seem to me that more is needed. If you can't commit to 1 in 10,000 seed count on triffid flaxseed, then how can you commit to being pesticide free when you like in a community that sprays and mover product potentially through a supply chain with commercial grain?

[charliep]

[URL="http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v28/n1/full/nbt0110-8a.html"]China and GE Rice[/URL]

[parsley]

" If you can't commit to 1 in 10,000 seed count on triffid flaxseed, then how can you commit to being pesticide free when you like in a community that sprays"

Sounds like a perfectly logical legal argument in an organic claim of market loss charliep. Appreciate you've presented it so legibly. Pars

[parsley]

"China is one of the biggest investors in biotech"

I agree. But to assume they will eat biotech food themselves is folly.

Perhaps they won't be hesistant to ship it to say, Tibet, or feed it to their overabundance of $400.00/yr peasants, I agree, but the Chinese elite and middle class now emerging will be very cautious about modified food.

They will embrace it for industrial puposes. They would be stupid to not learn technology developed by and paid for by Western culture, and renourished with Western research grants and partner/mentors to continue to experiment further.

They are shrewd people and highly intelligent. IMHO Pars

[gustgd]

You use the Chinese as a model society and I get called a fan of Central planning. Do even read what you write?

[parsley]

Model!!

gusty, China and Tibet are at odds, so the reference was not complimentary.

China and their peasants are at odds, so the reference was not complimentary.