So 20 Bushel Pea Crop VS Not Seeding!

[furrowtickler]

S/f you should try a 3 year drought preceeded by a massive hailstorm that took out 1/2 the farm in two hours followed by the frost of '04 that almost everyone else felt. Be in freewheat's shoes. You piss and moan but ran good crops through most of those years, '04 being the exception. You wana talk a reference margin, try ****in near zero - that's what we had through 2000 to 2003 then 2004 frooze our balls to the wall as well as did many others. You are still very fortunate this year comparered to many others on the east side this year - give it a rest and count the blessings you do have man. Yes it sucks when yeilds are below ave, but have you ever had 5 bus or less? For more than one year in a row? There are alot of farmers who would love to be in your shoes, turn on the news and look what is going on in India, China, Russia, Pakastan or where ever. Go shine up your new paint and count your blessings that we live where we live.
Most are not going to get 1/2 of that gov't "flood" money b/c of red tape - so yes you are better off with 20bus/ac, stop whinning, you are starting to sound like a 5 year old that never got his way or someone got a better toy than you. Alot of us have been through alot tougher years than you and still made it.

[kryger]

Thank you furrowtickler.
SF3 usually kills the crop 5 times a year, but this year he has out done himself. Drowned out 6 times, did not finish seeding, did finish seeding, hailed out 4 times, calling for frost since July 15, can't understand why Stats Canada didn't tour his place and see the devastation.
Very tough to feel sorry for a guy that has 500 feet of airdrill, 3 combines, lake front property, Cargill, Pioneer and Viterra showing up at his farm offering deals, him bitching and complaining all the time.
SF3 would be a hoot at the local coffee shop.
Feel sorry for guys like freewheat, who hasn't had a crop for 3 or 4 years. There is a guy who can bitch. But he is probably too busy trying to make ends meet to be on here much.
End of rant.
Bring it on SF3, bring it on.

[riders2010]

And he is not the only one saskfarmer99 is sitting high on his perch looking down at the rest of us, trying to tell the world the reason there is no margins for people is we didn't fill the fu__ ing forms out properly. Is a good agriculture program one that the guy with the best accountant gets the most money, son of a bitch boys why are we letting this bull go on like this, there should be some nutless ministers by now. When you have multiple year losses you begin the spiral down in coverages and that is why 10 year averages and 5 year averages do not work and it's getting to be ****ing bullshit for those that had luck and crops to say oh well too bad that's the best we can come up with, **** the rest of you guys because my farm is gonna do alright, we need to say **** you back and do something about this bullshit. Those ****ers that are playing so smart with luck of weather and using accountants to work the programs also and basically laughing in our faces. Bullshit programs and a minister making up that all farmers are going to be alright because it's not the case WAKE UP WESTERN CANADA. Why should we be loosing farmers like FREEWHEAT and others when money is going to go through this program only to ones like sf3 and sf99 that had crops and need the money least of all of us simply because of that.

[riders2010]

And while I'm wound up, we need to straighten up the A-holes like Hursh and others that lobbied against farmers with little or no margin saying 30 ****ing dollars an acre is too much, on the one hand and on the other saying but don't worry because some farmers with 150 margin will collect from agrivation. Well are they too stupid to figure out that a 150 margin is 150 above allowable cost so in some cases like canola agrivation will guarantee those who had good weather 300 bucks an acre why is that not too much and those with small margins due 99% to weather problems next to nothing. And further more listen up all of you out there that are buying the bullshit from the agministers if they are saying they can't afford to pay anyone for losses other than the 30 dollars flooded do you think agrivation is going to pay many of you money?

[SASKFARMER3]

If you for one second don't think I feel sorry for free wheat your dead wrong. The govt should do way more to help. That's the point to all this BS rhetoric. Their is a area north of me that has every fricking thing thrown at them. IT rains rains rains. And its getting to point that next year is pouched pretty soon. We were 50 miles away from the line last year and one before and missed the very wet weather, but this year its moved south and east and bam were hit. So yes their should be more done. But hey how can Hursh Care. Because yesterday sold a piece of equipment to one of his neighbors and the guys was trying to tell me he was just as wet as us. Till your living it you don't know. This year we joined the club and wow what a life lesson.

[freewheat]

Hey guys. I'm a bit embarrassed to be brought up so much. Farming for me sucks, yes, but I will try to rise above it. This thread is about poor yields I believe. Well, when I look at it in this area, the two fields seeded adjacent to some of my best land are horrific. 20 bushel barley, 5-8 bushel canola? Yes, I agree with sf3. I'm a bit better off. But, if they are covered for CI they will be ok. Mudding in was their decosion, one I refuse to do. Spinning through water at seeding will never produce a decent crop. I'm out to grow a decent crop. Should farmed crop insurance I guess!

Give sf3 a break. I think he is stressed, and I understand his stress. I'm just not one to go berserk everyday, even though I may feel like it. LOL

[riders2010]

Well freewheat when I mention you it's really not only specifically you I am referring to but also the thousands of farmers in your shoes so maybe a change of wording is in order. On another note you mentioned a while back whether or not to stay in farming, and I have a question if you want to answer fine if not also no problem, but do you have the passion to stay with it, that is the question you need to ask no one but yourself. If you love farming and yet it sucks do you have the passion, guts, balls what ever you want to call it to do something to make it better for yourself as well as others or are you satisfied with trudging along taking what the system the weather etc. is going to throw at you? If you quit farming, likely if your going to be successful although luck has a lot to do with things but do you have the passion etc. to put more into any other occupation than farming?
Believe it or not I used to sit back and believe the system will work itself out, someone else will fix the obvious inequalities, as time went on and now at this point I see that not happenning because there were and are too many people like I was just sitting there accepting and then working around the obvious bullshit thrown their way. I am not pretending to be no hero but honest the God I've seen too many good decent people in this industry being fuxxed over, humiliated etc. while others get the joy ride and it isn't right. Look at the cattlemen what's happenning there and already happenned, some high rollers backed by the government living high on the hog and the real dirt under the fingernail people loosing everything daily. If your content just taking it fine nothing wrong but for what it is worth many many of my friends that went down financially as recent as the last flooding event a few years ago, at first when they went to Alberta to work their answer was we should have quit long ago, but now I see them when they come home and they likely are doing better financially than alot of people, but every one of them say they should have done something about the bullshit even if not successful but they should have tried.