A walk through the pea plots ..

[saskcanfarmer]

Of course there is a correlation between herbicides and crop health. In the same breath I'm not here to grow more bushels. I'm here to make more money. The two don't always go hand in hand. I respect your opinion regarding peas but I will disagree based on the economics on my farm.

[saskcanfarmer]

I have never doubted or questioned your dedication or passion for the industry. That's not in question. You wouldn't be here debating the merits of your opinions on a heated manner if you didn't care about our industry.

[Guest]

I do not want to get between you guys in this but I do not think that there is anything wrong with how one guy goes about his business compared to the next guy. We all try to find a solution that will help put $$$ in our pocket. Why do some use urea or UAN or NH3?? Different strokes for different folks. I had a real eye opener when I received my condemdum (sp?) from the rack. There was solid info in there and I learned a lot. Also, just getting into the foliar side and I do see some merit in it. Furrow, I would like to pick your brain on the kugler product that you seem to have some experience with? I was looking back through some old posts and noticed that you were getting some good results from foliar products in your wheat. Have you tried it on canola or oats?

[saskcanfarmer]

4G The voice of reason! What works on my balance sheet might not work for the next guy or vice versa. Well said

[Guest]

Saskcan, you are right about everyone's balance sheet and how they use them. I just want to say that after getting the rack's results and seeing how my peas did not yellow/stall with the micros that I added in compared to last year makes me feel better about the work they are doing. Not sure the agenda of some companies but it seems they have a full line of products to help you (I mean help them) pad their pockets. If I knew how to post pictures I would throw up a pic of our peas.

[sawfly]

I tried the treflan thing this spring.
( trying to get away from wheat)
on a tight rotation on poor land.
testing the limits.
it is my own fault, if it is a screw up.

thinking with well drained sand, I could push it.
it is not great right now . but if we get a few weeks of heat , it might improve.

whether it pencils better than wheat time will tell.

I have come to the conclusion that peas are complicated.
add in some extremely light land, it's even more complicated .

had a home run last year in the same type of land.
tried harder this year and now hoping for a base hit.

[furrowtickler]

Saskcan , fair enough .
I was just pointing out the are big differences in those plots and results will be much like last year .
Again never mentioned anything about heat , or that anyone had to do anyone or all the treatments there. Most of those high end treatments are not always feasible but no one has to do them .i only did a portion of my pea acres to see. It's simply info from plot data. Just pointing out there are big differences and this is some of the only research ever that covers herbicides , and fertility and the relationship in that in peas .
Never said anyone must do this or that
Just simply passing on info to others.
If it don't work for you that's your call , I never endorsed the high end treatments anywhere.
I know our balance sheet does not work with high end treatments either - risk is too high most years.

[furrowtickler]

Wise guy - I have a pile of data and customers that prove otherwise.
Yes there have been times where things don't work out - like any product out there.
But to say everything we offer does not work is simply just bashing and is simply wrong .
In time results from others will prove it .

[SASKFARMER3]

I do believe that Viper does set peas back and if some thing beyond your control like night temp looking sideways etc plants will have issues about a week later.

[furrowtickler]

There were a lot of peas sprayed in very good conditions that flashed. But as Saskcan pointed out and he / she is right - low water volumes are the most likely culprit .
Peas are very finicky and show any stress very quickly .