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    #25
    Re: Cowman and killing old, injured or disabled critters...

    Yes, I was raised with that philosophy. In fact, I believe that in certain situations we should do as much for humans in terms of allowing us to choose how we end our lives.

    BUT (you knew there would be a "but") there is an entire dimension you and others may be missing: that illness and challenge bring opportunities for personal and spiritual growth, even with animals. There is a Zen saying that "The obstacle IS the path."

    With that in mind, I have been privileged to facilitate the healing of many creatures who otherwise might have met the fate you favour (which is usually far less expensive and time-consuming than rehabilitation) if they had belonged to anyone else.

    I know I walk a road less traveled, but I have learned volumes from the critters who have come our way in need of fostering or rehabilitation.

    The first was a retired standardbred off the Alberta track, 8 years old, recently gelded and a bleeder. Most owners would have "canned" him, but his owner knew we were looking for a good family horse. I accepted many challenges in exchange for a $400 price tag on a $20,000 claimer, and it took 2 years for his hormones to quit raging, but we learned together. Now 22, Star is my therapy horse who keeps me limber despite rheumatoid arthritis.

    Our success in reclaiming Star paved the way for the rehab of many other critters, wild and domestic, whose courage and wisdom have changed our lives. We would not have had these experiences if we held unwaveringly to the "killing is kindness" rule. Sometimes that rule is meant to be broken.

    For example, if you had given your BC the option of a good quality of life with a little cart, he may well have taught you a thing or two about the flip side of "humane euthanasia."

    When our BC got tangled up in the legs of our horse, the vet wanted to amputate his rear right leg just below the hock. All four metatarsal bones had been sheared, rotated and displaced upward. One look at Jake and we knew he didn't want to forfeit his leg. Collectively, we managed to re-aligne 3 of the 4 metatarsals and the vet applied a walking cast. Jake was 4 then. Today he is a vibrant 13 and to see him run you'd never guess he'd had such a serious injury.

    I guess it depends on our willingness to look for the lessons in such challenges. Some people simply don't have the interest, time or money to invest in rehab. In those cases, it is likely more humane for the animal to be destroyed.

    Or.... you can send them to us. )

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      #26
      Elizabeth: I am quite sure everything you do is done out of the best of intentions and I do respect that. Maybe your way is the best way and you could be very right about most people(myself included) not wanting to invest the time and effort.
      I remember a couple of years ago coming across a fawn whos mother had been killed on the road. He was pretty pathetic. I had a young girl with me(employee) and she made a big fuss when I suggested I should knock him in the head rather than let him suffer. Well, in the end we ended up driving him 60 miles to the Medicine River Rehab center and on top of that she talked me into donating $20 to the center! Now quite frankly I think that was sort of a dumb idea(taking the fawn there not the donation!). But it was kind of an eyeopener because we got a little tour of the center and learned what they do. They have a lot of hawks and owls, which have always been a great interest of mine.
      As far as the dog goes, this was a very intense working dog and I truly doubt if she would have been happy if she couldn't work. So I made a judgement call....and it wasn't easy because I really loved that dog!
      Euthenasia is a good thing I believe. You wouldn't let a dog or a horse suffer like some people have to! The only problem is it can be a slippery slope and pretty soon you could have people knocking off all the old people. But believe me it is in practice! You would know this if you spent some time in the cancer ward. They call it pain relief...and it is. One massive dose of morphine and thats all she wrote. And that is a good thing.

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        #27
        Deb and Redhen,you'd be happy to know that I've revived a few animals in my day from near death.Its a nice feeling to see them pull through.I swear one cat I saved thinks she owes me her life for it!! LOL

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          #28
          When I first started working on farms, I had to kill a lot of runt pigs and kittens with distemper and stuff like that. I shook and felt sick when I first killed an animal. Then I got used to it and consoled myself by saying that the animal was better off.

          Years later I left farming and raised a family. Now when I have to kill a sick rabbit or one of my red hens, something I know I have to do away with, I feel terrible. I figure that my conscience goes to sleep when killing becomes a necessary routine. But killing one rabbit that is almost like a pet, is hard because my conscience is awake and it just doesn't like having to take a life. I always ask its forgiveness when I bop an animal on the head

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            #29
            There sure is no right or wrong path, is there?

            Each situation must be considered from many perspectives, and Cowman I totally understand the powerful intellect of a working BC. That's why we worked so hard to save Jake's leg without resorting to costly surgery... his ability to work and feel useful was indeed his life. Sorry about your girl.

            Country Guy, I KNEW there was a soft spot somewhere. ) We have a kitty like that too... she is a total mush-bear, as if she still has to thank us every day for trapping her, taming her and giving her a new life - against the advice from the SPCA and our vet, who feared she may have carried diseases that would endanger our three other cats. We followed our instincts on that one.

            Deb... what can I say? Doing the right thing is sometimes the most difficult. We raised Cornish Giants and BBWhite turkeys one year. Everyone was thrilled with our poultry and we made a healthy profit, but the cost to my spirit was beyond measure when we had them processed. The silence in the poultry yard was deafening. Now we have brown layers so we don't have to kill them for protein. Some are approaching the age of 5 and we've already had to humanely destroy a few due to being egg-bound. Some have died of natural causes. The ones who needed rehab and were welcomed into our family rest beneath a fruit or berry bush planted in their honour. That way, they are giving back to other birds and we have a visual, living memorial.

            *toasts all the critters we have loved and lost*

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              #30
              Elizabeth: You should let those old chickens have the run of the place. Won't take long for old mr. coyote to set up shop! And just think how you are recycling and letting nature take its course? And remember, coyotes have to eat too!

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                #31
                My neighbor never got a license to buy ammo. He is an immigrant and missed the deadline. Occasionally he has to put a pig down and has now run out of 22 shells. Now what is he supposed to do? Does he buy a good aluminum base ball bat to beat them to death? What does the SPCA recommend as the proper way to beat a pig to death??
                I guess idiots like Alan Rock never thought of that sort of problem while they sit in the ivory tower down east, and impose their silly little laws on us. We need desperately to dump "Kanada" and have laws that reflect the reality of the west not the gay community of Toronto!

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                  #32
                  I just got back from town. I stopped in at my local Peavey Mart to pick up a few things. One of them was a bottle of Super Calf Boluses. Now I don't have a problem with scours but always like to keep a bottle on hand.
                  Anyway I'm waiting in line to pay when this guy strikes up a conversation with me(probably cause I had all these vet type supplies). Now right away I could see this guy was from Planet Ork or something...you know ear ring, scruffy beard, hair down to his ass! Which is okay, I like everybody. Anyway he gives me a lecture on the evils of anti-biotics and tells me I should trot over to the health food store and get some garlic capsules for my calves!!! Cure them of every damn thing they might possibly have!
                  So I told him sounds pretty good to me but I bought these pills for my own personal use!!! That sort of floored him! But I think he figured that was cool or else I embarassed him so much that he didn't know what to say! I just love nuts like that!!!

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                    #33
                    Wish I had been next in line just to see the look on his face when you told him they were for you.

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                      #34
                      Re: Humane destruction of livestock... the way our chicken processor does it is with a knife that has an electric current running through it. The creature is stunned and feels nothing after that. I've seen other folks use a knife to sever the jugular, as in some middle-eastern ceremonies. The animal or bird quietly bleeds out. No clubbing required.

                      As for antibiotics, I believe they have their place in farming, but I also believe they are terrible over-administered.

                      For scours, there is a product called Diatomaceous earth (food grade) that will guarantee your calves don't crap themselves to death. It is completely natural. Psyllium seed helps sooth intestinal linings after illness. There are web sites where you can obtain more info.

                      The advocates of animal welfare in the SPCA and PETA would like us to think outside the box when caring for our animals and birds.

                      Antibiotics should be a last resort, after Plan A (Pro-active husbandry), Plan B (preventive maintenance) and Plan C (natural alternatives) have not given good results.

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                        #35
                        Cowman
                        Ianben can tell you that in the UK, you have to phone the vet and wait till (he, she) comes and euthanizes for you. When I was there in 95 we visited a large hog operation. The pigs had canabalized the tail head of one of their fellow pen mates. The pig was removed to a seperate pen and the vet called. That was early in the morning, we were in the barn about 4 and THE VET HAD STILL NOT SHOWN UP. This was not humane in any stretch of the imagination. They were not allowed to shoot the animal even though they had plenty of ammunition and guns.
                        I hope we don't get to that stage here or we are going to need to import a lot of vets to do all of the mundane day to day vet work that we now do our selves.
                        Rod

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                          #36
                          Re: my hens as coyote bait.

                          After 5 years of service to us, I think I owe them the privilege of living out their lives in the safety of the barn and fenced yards they have been accustomed to. Wile E. Coyote can have his choice of gophers and mice. Same goes for Pop the Weasel. Henry Hawk takes a little more convincing, but Owl is the only one who has successfully nabbed a hen or two. That's not a bad average.

                          Maybe I should write to Country 105. It's their tunes that keep the wild critters away. )

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