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    #16
    Ianben, my take on your good questions.
    "The idea that we are in control is the bit that always makes me smile."
    It depends on what you mean by 'control'. We certainly can have an effect, at least locally, but the global and long term consequences are hard to guage.

    "If we just did this or that or didnt do something else every thing would be better." Again, better in the short term but as population increases and resources become depleted is it sustainable.

    "Would it be better to farm less intensivlly but need a much larger land area cultivated?" Yes, less intensively, more locally, better price per unit produced.

    "Can animals be happy? Is an animal protected from nature, ie fed watered and protected from predators, farmed happier than one in the wild?" Yes, I believe animals can be happy. Have you ever been greeted by the family dog, legs wrapped around the the family cat, cows, munching happily or staring contentedly into space as their calves suckle. I think this must be 'happy'in the sense they can express contentment, are relaxed and not afraid for their life. The life span of animals in the wild is very short relative to domestic animals, with the exception of course of feeder animals. Just as an example, domestic cats often live well into their teens. Feral cats around here at least live 2-3 years as do coyotes and foxes. The early death of fawns and moose calves due to natural causes also exceeds that of domestic animals.

    "If any part of nature is out of balance it must be to numbers of people." Without a doubt, people are the problem. I am not confident that they are the solution.

    "Are we really any different to the microbes in the dish?" No!

    "Have we any choice but to fill every available space and feed ourselves to extinction? " No! but maybe we can postpone the inevitable with some judicious intervention.

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      #17
      Thanks Pandiana
      My answers would be very similar to yours.
      Perhaps not the one on land use though.

      I wonder if more production from fewer acres is not better than cultivating more and more of our planet.
      I hate to see the real wild places where man has not interfered getting smaller.

      Is concentating our polution better than spreading it far and wide.

      Would feedlot alley be better spread across Alberta affecting more people and environments or is it better concentrated in a small area thus limiting its effect to the local environment.

      I find it difficult to decide.

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        #18
        pandiana: I have some problems relating myself to a petri dish of bacteria. The solution to all our problems can be solved by technology. Now I'm not saying it will be solved just that it CAN be!
        Consider the advances in your own life time...and then realize that this technology is snowballing! World food supplies could be at least tripled using genetic engineering. Recent advances in colf fusion could solve all our energy problems...and a good part of our pollution problems. Research in transpondence is starting to show some amazing results. Virtual reality could eliminate a lot of travel and advance mans world beyond anything he has ever dreamed of!
        As our world moves toward a global government with controls over everyone population could become a non issue. For just like the family dog we will be taken care of and protected as long as we follow certain rules!! Will we be content and happy then?

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          #19
          cowman. What about the other changes in our lifetimes.
          Aids may have been averted in the 1st world but I hear it is devestating Africa. BSE could still be a mega human tragedy in thirty years. The "H" bomb has given us 50 years without world war but just one madman could end it all.
          Climate is the thing I think will control us in the future though, could we survive an ice-age or the warming predicted.
          Will we ever understand and be able to control the weather?

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            #20
            Ian: I can't answer your question about the weather. I've read about a program called HRRP up in Alaska that is supposed to be able to control the weather. It involves shooting massive lasers up into the earths magnetic field. The Russians were working on something similar back in the eighties.
            There is some evidence they had some success. Whatever we know about technology is probably only a smattering of what is really out there.
            We do have some devastating disease in the world. I would suggest to you that cancer makes AIDs look pretty tame. I mean I know I'm a backwards rube but I actually don't know anyone who has died of AIDS but I sure know a lot dying from cancer.
            Now consider if there was one all powerful world government? Would that free up some money for research? Consider what has been accomplished in the last twenty years? Just in the increase of knowledge?
            So is it possible for man to save himself? Definitely! Will it happen? Definitely not!

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