Fair Share??

[Horse]

Ivbc I see you are still at it, good for you .Do you share your lease land ? Do you take only what you need from the sale of your produce or do you try to get the most you can in the way of prices is that not ENVY or Goudging , I wish you would get a new teacher as it gets tireing to hear the same old tune all the time.

[silverback]

Spending money is probably not the best definition of a capitalist.

Wanting to keep people under government control is not a capitalist ideal.

Not allowing individuals to make their own choices, succeed or fail, would not be the choice of a capitalist.

Advocating for higher taxes from higher wage earners to give to those that don't feel like working would not be a good definition of a capitalist.

Cheering on governments that grab control of as much as they can would probably not be considered proper by a capitalist.

[ivbinconned]

Actually horse I’m in agriculture...I am told what I get paid!!

As for the crown land...my role is not much different than government employees that take care of the provincial parks...only they charge me for taking care of the land!!

I think I should be paid for being the care taker as there is no “profit” for what we produce off of it.

[Burbert]

So all good capitalists are now complaining, because the province of AB is now taking advantage of them, with a new unfair oil & gas royalty scheme. Good capitalists love paying high fuel prices at the pump, love getting the fram fuel bills, simply love the multinational companies that are taking advantage of them. It appears that all good capitalists are simply very stupid people. Ever talked with oil & gas people, most are goofs, rich goofs, but goofs at the best of times! Look at the vehicles and toys they buy with their cash, silly, silly people. Wait till the bubble busts, then snivelling and whinning starts, they as a group are far louder than framers.

[ado089]

How quickly we forget...I'd like to se how all these "capitalist" react 2,5,10...years down the road when oil cools off, as it will regardless of royalties and their wages fall back down to the level that the rest of us who actualy make this society function (teachers, nurses, agronomists, farmers...)and the bills come due on their half million dollar mortgages, seventy thousand dollar trucks, boats, quads...what will your opionion of capitalism be when your bankrup a$$ is in line to collect poggie???

[FarmRanger]

"when your bankrup a$$ is in line to collect poggie"

Then you'll know precisely how it feels to live under socialism.

[ivbinconned]

"down to the level that the rest of us who actualy make this society function (teachers, nurses, agronomists,"


How juvenile...your nameing of "government employees!!??

Laughable, sad, but very telling!
Another deep thinker.

[Lifer]

IV..

"And we are talking about today not yesterday."

Rubish!!

People may change....but

Principles NEVER change!"

I was going to just leave this alone but IV.. In my opinion you misread my post and did not address the questions on principle in it. Because all I was writing about was principle.

We are actually talking more about tommorrow, today if that makes any sense. Do you not believe that circumstances today are differnt.

In the question you put forward ownership of the resource is implied because permission is given. Also the royalty system being put in place does not take the whole value of the resource extracted.

"IF the pioneers and explorers and risk takers and gold panners had all been told, "go ahead, dig, drill and explore if you want to take the risk...but what ever you find...what ever you gain...THAT, you must remember belongs to everyone"!!! "

Would things have been different for these first comers if the government of the day said go ahead, dig, drill and explore and if you discover something ensure all your expenses are paid first and then we can share in the resources that you have found in our land?

[ado089]

IVBC...I appreciate that you pointed out that the first couple of those careers I mentioned are infact government funded but note that I did not say that they should make more money. I would be the first to kick out the NDP, I hate unions and beleive you should earn what you're worth. That being said I farm, I'm an agronomist for a farm input company and I am an owner in a construction company in Calgary. I know that the success of my construction company is directly related to the growth in the oil industry but that same growth is the reason I needed the extra income due to the inflated cost of living. So excuse me when I get a little worked up when I've spent thousands of dollars investing in my future as far as education, land, machinery and decades of work building a farm and buisness then I hear a bunch of high school drop outs wine about how their six figure income might drop because they chose a career path in a boom or bust industry. So increasing royalties is good insurance policy for when oil dries up and I'm still paying taxes and they are out of work maybe the rest of us will have a couple of years before we have to pickup that cost of that boom. The bottom line is that growth comes at a cost. Agriculture is what drove the initial growth of this country and therefore the existing infrastructure, now it's oils time to chip in, that is of course if you want a road to drive your seventy thousand dollar truck to your half million dollar house with electricity and running water.

[ivbinconned]

“then I hear a bunch of high school drop outs whine”

Well don’t let that bother you…in their immaturity they whine! What can you do? I have seen 24%interest rates on my farm machinery (1980)…I whined too, but I learned some lessons!!

“So increasing royalties is good insurance policy for when oil dries up”

What makes you think its going to dry up? Is it the same experts that predicted Y2K, or the population explosion, or global cooling? Scarcity is the MO of the price setters!! Don’t forget it.

Your last sentence I have already responded to. Sounds like envy to me!! Those jobs and the taxes they generate IS A FORM OF ROYALTY…PAID into circulation. The only thing government would do with the money is create bigger government!

You say you do not like the NDP or the left but yet you want some body to “manage the economy”. You can’t have your cake and eat it to.

BIG GOVERNMENT has never solved society’s problems, the examples are many. Giving them more money to create BIGGER government is what you can be assured is what they will do.

[ado089]

That is exactly government role...to manage the balance between free enterprise and social issues. If you would like anarchie move to south america, there's very little government involvement there, but oh ya next time you get hurt working on the rig or your kid comes down with pneumonia you're on your own. That is if you have anything left after the cartels take their what they feel belongs to them. As for envy read a little closer, I'm getting my piece of the pie so if anything I'm a hipocrit.

[ivbinconned]

Willy has wondered why I am interested!

Some times I think that those of you who reside, and have only resided, in Alberta, have your noses so close to the canvas you can not see the picture.

From my familys own experiance, and from those in the field advise that much of your hospital care, health programs, equipment,and methods are 15 years ahead of Saskatchewan.

Many of you have benifited a great deal from the Alberta boom although not directly. But the rising tide has raised all boats! Some can see the big picture.

Will could sell one acre there and buy 5 here...don't know whats holding him back??