Vaccines WTF

[jazz]

Non mRNA vaccine advancing in Sask. This is the one to wait for. Just kicked off clinical trials. Probably be ready before skippy gets our orders from the EU.

Again the west has to do everything ourselves.

https://www.ckom.com/2021/02/01/saskatchewan-made-covid-vaccine-begins-clinical-trial/ Saskatchewan-made COVID vaccine begins clinical trial

[jazz]

So news on the vaccine front. Calgary company ignored, UofS company ignored.

New facility being built now in Montreal with govt funds to manufacture (non Canadian company) Novovax vaccine, production to start later this summer. That means Canadians wont get vaccinated until end of 2022 likely.

Guess that means no pfizer or moderna or J&J doses are coming anytime soon.

What a colossal f up.

[Rareearth]

Well I’m pissed off

[Taiga]

SNC is lobbying hard as well.

https://www.snclavalin.com/~/media/Files/S/SNC-Lavalin/download-centre/en/brochure/asri-healthcare-vaccines_brochure_en.pdf

[AlbertaFarmer5]

What a colossal f up.

That depends on your frame of reference.
If you assume that Canadians health and financial well-being was the desired outcome, then yes.
But if you accept that the desired outcome was funneling lots of taxpayer dollars to friends and family in Quebec, This has been a spectacular success.

[fjlip]

SNC is lobbying hard as well.

https://www.snclavalin.com/~/media/Files/S/SNC-Lavalin/download-centre/en/brochure/asri-healthcare-vaccines_brochure_en.pdf

Read this PDF, I didn't see the part where Turd Foundation gets the $billions$ in kick back? Anyone know how much each LIEBERAL gets from SNC crooks? Quebecers are natural leaders of Canada...the TURD said!

[dmlfarmer]

So news on the vaccine front. Calgary company ignored, UofS company ignored.

New facility being built now in Montreal with govt funds to manufacture (non Canadian company) Novovax vaccine, production to start later this summer. That means Canadians wont get vaccinated until end of 2022 likely.

Guess that means no pfizer or moderna or J&J doses are coming anytime soon.

What a colossal f up.

Jazz:
Canada does not have, nor have ever had vaccine production facilities capable of mass producing mRNA vaccines. Would you have supported a Trudeau call for building such facilities before the pandemic and before the development of mRNA vaccines?

Pfizer was never part of warp speed, and never took any government money from any country for the development of the mRNA vaccine. They are making all the vaccine in their own facilities so if Canada has no Pfizer plant, how is a lack of production of the Pfizer vaccine in Canada a Trudeau problem?

Astra Zeneca, Johnson and Johnson, Sanofi, Merck's, GSK, and Bristol Myers all had vaccine production facilities in Canada and all 6 of these companies closed or downsized their Canadian vaccine production operations between 2007 and 2011. Tell me Jazz, what party was in government in Canada from 2007 and 2011 when these plants closed? Is the movement of vaccine production out of Canada a Trudeau Liberal or Conservative problem?

In August 2020 the Trudeau government pledged 126 million for building the vaccine production facility in Montreal as well as funding for production facilities in Saskatoon and Vancouver; before any vaccines were approved. They are under construction. What more do you think he should have done/contributed to re vaccine production facilities.

Have you seen the contracts Canada signed with Pfizer and Moderna? Do you know delivery schedule contracted?

Canada makes a deal to make Noravax vaccine in Canada:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canada-signs-deal-with-novavax-to-make-its-covid-19-vaccine-at-new-montreal-facility/ar-BB1djn32?ocid=msedgdhp https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canada-signs-deal-with-novavax-to-make-its-covid-19-vaccine-at-new-montreal-facility/ar-BB1djn32?ocid=msedgdhp

[WiltonRanch]

Any new Canadian based vaccine manufacturing facilities when they come on line will be after the fact for this virus outbreak. However, going forward they will be a great asset to the health and wealth of our nation for both humans and animals. As well, we should bloody well keep these facilities going and not let them run away. It’s a matter of national security. American isolationism is here to stay and maybe worldwide for that matter. Protect our own industry which is essential to our health and safety. This goes beyond any political affiliation, both sides have sold us out with their own bs spin on this. Need to snuff out the kleptocracy.

[sumdumguy]

Who’d of thunk it Montreal. (Sarcasm) It’ll be built underground, where all the action is.

[jazz]

Jazz:
Canada does not have, nor have ever had vaccine production facilities capable of mass producing mRNA vaccines. Would you have supported a Trudeau call for building such facilities before the pandemic and before the development of mRNA vaccines?

Who says it has to be a mRNA vaccine? That Saskatoon company was highlighting their abilities way back in the summer. Trudeau never even bothered to get out of his cottage to talk to them.

The director of that company is saying their profile is safer and more likely to handle the variants. These guys went to trial with zero federal support. Now its going to take them 2 yrs to get through phase 1 trials.

You keep forgetting the astronomical sums of money spent.

As well, we should bloody well keep these facilities going and not let them run away. It’s a matter of national security.

Big pharma isnt located in Canada because they despise our socialized health care model.

[WiltonRanch]

Who’d of thunk it Montreal. (Sarcasm) It’ll be built underground, where all the action is.

The VIDO Intervac one being built in Saskatoon is the one I’m referring to more so. I could give fork about anything Quebec cause you it is a given they benefit first. So anything we can get out west, especially sask, should be applauded. It is a boon we have the synchrotron at the UofS. Many don’t realize the advantage we have for R&D with that machine here in bf sask.

[dmlfarmer]

Who says it has to be a mRNA vaccine? That Saskatoon company was highlighting their abilities way back in the summer. Trudeau never even bothered to get out of his cottage to talk to them.

The director of that company is saying their profile is safer and more likely to handle the variants. These guys went to trial with zero federal support. Now its going to take them 2 yrs to get through phase 1 trials.

You keep forgetting the astronomical sums of money spent.

And you keep ignoring my question of how much more should Canada have spent? Should Canada have funded every tom dick and harry who thought they could create a vaccine regardless if they have never developed vaccines before? You ignore the fact Canada prepurchased 1 billion dollars worth of vaccines from 7 companies and those companies use 4 different methods of creating the vaccine. That is enough vaccine to vaccinate 5 times the population of Canada if all vaccines are approved ? How much more should Canada have prepurchased and from how many more companies in your opinion?

Interesting that the first two vaccines approved for use in NA were mRNA vaccines and Canada order large number of doses of each

So tell us, Jazz, what would you have done differently if you were the PM. How much more would you have invested in vaccine creation than was? How many doses would you have ordered and from which companies and which mode of action before knowing if any vaccine would be successful? And given Canada had lost all vaccine production facilities, and that it takes at least a year to build a sizeable plant, and that a plant has to be tailored to the type of vaccine by mode of action, when would you have started construction? U of S, U of A, U of M, University of Waterloo, Western University, Entos, Immunoprecise Antibodies, Medipledge, IMV, Vido-Intervac, Synevivo, and Providence The****utics to name a few are all working on vaccines. Do you think they should all have received full funding of research? How would you choose who and how much get funding?

Real easy to second guess and criticize now but what would you have done differently