Vaccines WTF

[Guest]

Nobody has any idea how many vaccines companies Trudeau ordered from, how many doses he did order and when any of them will arrive or be approved or even manufactured.

The best reading of the situation is Canada will have zero doses for at least 60 days.

The US and UK will be fully vaccinated just 60 days after that.

What word of fail isnt clearly understood?

Better question is why did Canada fail. I think that answer is evident Same reason why canada outspent the G20 on covid black hole relief and now has an economy in tatters and its people locked behind doors perpetually.

well why should we be able to do what the US did , they had a chump at the wheel remember ?
even the canadian sheeple should realize we are a third world country thanks to this incapable trust fund idiot child

[dmlfarmer]

I think taking longer to approve IS a reason we are behind. . If we were submitted info at the same time. I believe both UK and the US had almost a million vaccinated before we approved them. So if all countries were on the same footing, Trudeau ****ed up. If not it was because we came late to the party. Also a Trudeau ****up.

Do you have any idea how a vaccine is approved in Canada? It is not a political decision. Approval is granted by Health Canada, not politicians. Approvals for Covid vaccines are actually being fast tracked in that Health Canada is not requiring completion of all testing and submission package before submitting but allowing early submission and accepting data as it becomes available. A review of a new vaccine takes about 2000 man hours of review by Health Canada personal, but because of the urgency and to speed up they are using teams of 7-12 scientists to conduct the review concurrently for all facets of approval. Trudeau is not involved in approving a vaccine.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/vaccines/development-approval-infographic.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/vaccines/development-approval-infographic.html

Each country sets it own review and approval process for vaccines and drugs and even pesticides.

You want to know where Health Canada is in approval process of vaccines, the website is publicly available at https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/authorization/applications.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/authorization/applications.html You will see Pfizer vaccine was submitted for review on Oct 9th and approved on dec 06. Moderna was submitted on Oct 12 and approved on Dec 23. Astra Zeneca submitted Oct 1st and is under review. Novavax submitted their vaccine Jan 29, 21 for review.

Health Canada also shows the stage of trials of 9 Canadian vaccines and the stage of trials for 74 drugs proposed for treatment of Covid for those of you claiming not enough is being done. https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/list-authorized-trials.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/list-authorized-trials.html

Maybe spend a little more time learning about the way the system works and what is actually being done instead of just political bashing.

[Robertbarlage]

Treadeu is in charge! he's to blame.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Is this thread really about vaccine supply and delivery delays, or is it simply political bashing. Why is it those most upset about slow vaccine rollouts were against vaccines a few months ago?

etc etc

I've been asking myself the same question. I thought most of Agriville was against vaccines, and now most of Agriville is upset that we can't get vaccines. Can't have it both ways.

[LEP]

Do you have any idea how a vaccine is approved in Canada? It is not a political decision. Approval is granted by Health Canada, not politicians. Approvals for Covid vaccines are actually being fast tracked in that Health Canada is not requiring completion of all testing and submission package before submitting but allowing early submission and accepting data as it becomes available. A review of a new vaccine takes about 2000 man hours of review by Health Canada personal, but because of the urgency and to speed up they are using teams of 7-12 scientists to conduct the review concurrently for all facets of approval. Trudeau is not involved in approving a vaccine.
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/vaccines/development-approval-infographic.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/vaccines/development-approval-infographic.html

Each country sets it own review and approval process for vaccines and drugs and even pesticides.

You want to know where Health Canada is in approval process of vaccines, the website is publicly available at https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/authorization/applications.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/authorization/applications.html You will see Pfizer vaccine was submitted for review on Oct 9th and approved on dec 06. Moderna was submitted on Oct 12 and approved on Dec 23. Astra Zeneca submitted Oct 1st and is under review. Novavax submitted their vaccine Jan 29, 21 for review.

Health Canada also shows the stage of trials of 9 Canadian vaccines and the stage of trials for 74 drugs proposed for treatment of Covid for those of you claiming not enough is being done. https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/list-authorized-trials.html https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/drugs-health-products/covid19-industry/drugs-vaccines-treatments/list-authorized-trials.html

Maybe spend a little more time learning about the way the system works and what is actually being done instead of just political bashing.

And how is our process is different from the rest of the western world?

Did other western democracies not approve these vaccines ahead of us?

Would it not make sense to eliminate duplication and cooperate in evaluation the same data set and research?

You have spent months stressing how serious this pandemic is and how important the restrictions are and yet you downplay how screwed up the Lieberal vaccination plan has turned out. Talking out your ass again.

[LEP]

Canada awarded 1.9M doses of vaccine for the 2nd Quarter by Covax. This is further proof that we are way behind in vaccines, Covax gives vaccines to countries that are impoverished and behind in vaccines. By my research we are in 32nd place on a per capita basis, by the end of February we could be as far as 50th based on on how many deliveries forecasted for this month.

I agree. Completely botched rollout. Incompetence at every level.

[sumdumguy]

I agree. Completely botched rollout. Incompetence at every level.

Conflicting numbers everywhere. Today National Post says the Feb. Moderna # 250,000——>180,000——-> unconfirmed.

[dmlfarmer]

Canada awarded 1.9M doses of vaccine for the 2nd Quarter by Covax. This is further proof that we are way behind in vaccines, Covax gives vaccines to countries that are impoverished and behind in vaccines. By my research we are in 32nd place on a per capita basis, by the end of February we could be as far as 50th based on on how many deliveries forecasted for this month.

Maybe instead of researching vaccines on per capita basis you should research what Covax actually is instead of posting misinformation.

Covax is a WHO initiatives which about 145 countries joined. Wealthy countries fund a pool of vaccines which are distributed 50% to themselves and 50% cost free to third world countries. The reason contributing countries get 50% is the incentive for them to take part in the program. Otherwise most countries would do all their own people first before contributing to donations to third world. Canada bought into the program last September with a $544 million dollar committment to Covax. The target of the program is to fund 20% of all participating nations requirements for vaccine.

The first distribution has just been announced which provides member nations who request to be in the first round of distribution with enough vaccines for 3.3% of their population. Canada has accepted their allotment. So did New Zealand, a first world country with very few cases. So did Saudi Arabia and Qatar, both countries which certainly can afford their own vaccines. Not all of the 145 countries, including many first world nations, are getting vaccines in the first round. [I Participants that do not appear in the list below have either exercised their rights to opt-out, have not submitted vaccine requests, or have not yet been allocated doses".[/I] according to the Covax distribution list.

Here you all are screaming that Canada is not getting vaccines, and at the same time you are whining about Canada accepting vaccines it has already purchased through the Covax program? JC do at least minimal research before spewing your conspiracy theories! Check out sites about the Covax program online there are plenty that explain it.

And I will even provide the following link to the Feb 3 Covax Distribution List from the WHO to show all the countries alloted vaccines in this first round. Feel free to contact Trudeau if you feel Canada should not accept their Covax allotment that they have bought and paid. I am sure he would love to hear from you.

https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/covid/covax/COVAX-Interim-Distribution-Forecast.pdf https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/covid/covax/COVAX-Interim-Distribution-Forecast.pdf

BTW, Japan has not even started vaccinations yet because of different criteria for approval in Japan than in Canada or US or other countries that have already approved some vaccines so not eligible for participation in Covax at this time

[jazz]

Canada awarded 1.9M doses of vaccine for the 2nd Quarter by Covax. This is further proof that we are way behind in vaccines, Covax gives vaccines to countries that are impoverished and behind in vaccines. By my research we are in 32nd place on a per capita basis, by the end of February we could be as far as 50th based on on how many deliveries forecasted for this month.

Canada is an impoverished country now too, so I guess that fits.

Its clear all these so called orders werent even written down on the back of a napkin, just fake announcements from Trudeau hiding at his cottage. He left Canada last again as usual just like everything he does.

[Guest]

Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie
This will be the last straw

[bucket]

This is what happens when a kid that has never understood basic things in life because he lives on a trust fund....

Need groceries someone goes to get them for him unless there is a photo op

Need Vaccines ....we just go to the vaccine store for them too...

I don't know what is wrong with the people that vote for him...at the very least give the conservatives a minority and get that trust fund moron out...along with his team of "never had a real job."

[chuckChuck]

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2020/03/11/the-public-lab-that-could-have-helped-fight-covid-19-pandemic.html https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2020/03/11/the-public-lab-that-could-have-helped-fight-covid-19-pandemic.html

The public lab that could have helped fight COVID-19 pandemic

By Linda McQuaigContributing Columnist
Wed., March 11, 2020timer3 min. read

Canada once had a publicly owned pharmaceutical company that could have made a difference in the current coronavirus crisis — except that we sold it.

Connaught Labs was a superstar in global medicine. For seven decades, this publicly owned Canadian company performed brilliantly on the national and international stage, contributing to medical breakthroughs and developing affordable treatments and vaccines for deadly diseases.

Hated by its corporate competitors, Connaught was unique among pharmaceutical companies in that its focus was on human need, not profit.

It would have come in handy today.

In fact, Connaught got its start amid a diphtheria outbreak in 1913. Toronto doctor John Gerald FitzGerald was outraged that children were dying in large numbers even though there was a diphtheria treatment available from a U.S. manufacturer. But, at $25 a dose, it was unaffordable to all but the rich. FitzGerald set out to change that — and did.

After experimenting on a horse in a downtown Toronto stable, FitzGerald developed an antitoxin that proved effective in treating diphtheria, and made it available to public health outlets across the country. Then, with lab space provided by the University of Toronto, he and his team went on to produce low-cost treatments and vaccines for other common killers, including tetanus, typhoid and meningitis.

Connaught developed an impressive research capacity, with its scientists contributing to some of the biggest medical breakthroughs of the 20th century — including penicillin and the Salk and Sabin polio vaccines. It also played a central role in the global eradication of smallpox.

“It was a pioneer in a lot of ways,” says Colleen Fuller, a research associate of the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. “It did things commercial companies wouldn’t do because they weren’t willing to take the financial risks.”

Fuller argues that if a publicly owned Connaught were still operating today, it could be contributing to the development of the coronavirus vaccine — and ensuring a Canadian supply if there was a global shortage.

Yet, tragically it isn’t.

Succumbing to corporate pressure and a misguided belief that the private sector always does things better, Brian Mulroney’s Progressive Conservative government privatized Connaught Labs in the 1980s. Today, what remains of this once-dazzling Canadian public enterprise has been taken over by a giant French pharmaceutical company.

The coronavirus outbreak may finally help expose the fallacy of the notion that the private marketplace is innately superior — which has been the guiding principle in Anglo-American countries (including Canada) for the past four decades, leading to the constant denigration of government and its functions.

Fortunately, Canada’s public health care system, established in the 1960s, has been so popular that it has survived, despite attacks of “socialized medicine” — although our political leaders have quietly whittled away funding for the system in recent decades.

If the foolishness of cutting funding for public health care wasn’t already abundantly clear, the coronavirus has driven it home with a sledgehammer — as we’ve witnessed the extra struggles the U.S. faces in containing the virus with its lack of public health care.

Still, our willingness to go along with the privatization cult in recent decades has left us weaker and less protected than we could be.

Not only do we no longer have Connaught Labs, but Canada spends $1 billion a year funding basic medical research at Canadian universities, yet relies on the private marketplace to produce, control — and profit from — the resulting medical innovations.

For instance, the crucial work in developing a vaccine to treat Ebola was done by Canadian scientists at the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg — and financed by Canadian taxpayer money. But sole licensing rights to the vaccine were granted to a small U.S. company, which then sublicensed it to pharmaceutical giant Merck for $50 million.

Although Merck is now producing the vaccine, critics have charged that the company did “next to nothing” to rush the vaccine into production during the deadly Ebola outbreak in West Africa, according to a recent paper published in the Journal of Law and Biosciences.

With a surge in future global pandemics expected, it might well be time to rethink Canada’s foolhardy attachment to the notion “the private sector always does things better.”

Always unproven, that theory is looking increasingly far-fetched.
Linda McQuaig
Linda McQuaig is a Toronto-based freelance contributing columnist for the Star. Follow her on Twitter: @LindaMcQuaig