who here still believes the bat soup story ?

[cropgrower]

dml whats your opinion on how it all started ? if people knew the truth every choice gets a lot simpler , eg for me man made virus no 💉, natural virus mabe

[dmlfarmer]

In MB, the fully vaxxed (2 doses) account for equal/or higher cases, hospitalizations, ICU and deaths than their per capita.

So that would be some negative efficacy.

No, not negative efficacy, bad spin. Had you put up the next chart in the series of charts on the manitoba website it would have shown there is no negative efficacy. However, that next chart does not support your claim therefore you ignored it. So let me put it up for you.

[dmlfarmer]

dml whats your opinion on how it all started ? if people knew the truth every choice gets a lot simpler , eg for me man made virus no 💉, natural virus mabe

My opinion is just that, an opinion as there is no way to definitively prove or disprove yet. And anyone claiming to know the "truth" is either lying or an idiot. It may have sprung from the isolated cave in China where 4 miners died months earlier while cleaning bat crap. It may have been transported by followup studies of these deaths and bat crap to Wuhan and escaped the lab there. (at this time I think this is the most credible HYPOTHESIS) It may have been an existing corona virus that was being studied in Wuhan and mutated there and escaped the lab. It is possible, though less likely to have been spread from a fresh market. There are reports that 152 cases are linked to one stall, but did that stall start it or did a single person at that stall that caught it somewhere else, spread it? I have been to the fresh markets in China and given the numbers of people passing through and handling foods at stalls it is conceivable that single person could easily infect many with a communicable disease. IMHO I do not think it was created for the purpose of deliberate infection of humans or more stringent care would have been taken to make sure it did not escape; especially to countrymen of where it was created.

[Jordy2323]

No, not negative efficacy, bad spin. Had you put up the next chart in the series of charts on the manitoba website it would have shown there is no negative efficacy. However, that next chart does not support your claim therefore you ignored it. So let me put it up for you.

There is no spin. The double vaxxed (Fully vaxxed) have covid stats disproportionate to their population.

Right there in the data.

[dmlfarmer]

There is no spin. The double vaxxed (Fully vaxxed) have covid stats disproportionate to their population.

Right there in the data.

Sorry Jordy, you are wrong. Your argument reminds me of the problem A&W ran into when they introduced the 1/3 lb burger to compete with the quarter pounder at McDonalds. Even though same price, and many would argue the A&W burger tasted better, people did not buy the A&W burger because they thought a 1/3 lb burger was smaller than a quarter lb burger.

just like the math challenged who compare 1/3and 1/4and think since 3 is less than 4 then 1/3 must be smaller than 1/4, you are only comparing the numerators of the fractions.
In this case, in calculating the ratios and thereby the risk, the denominators are not the same for vaccination status. You have to first calculate the number of people in each group to determine the risk fractions. That is not done in the two charts provided. However you can calculate it from the charts. And if you do that you will find that cases, hospitalizations, and deaths the highest risk is 1 shot, then 0 shots, then 2 shots, and then3 shots. The one shot higher risk may be partially explained by the low number of people who only got one shot. This calculation is confirmed by the chart which you ignored, but which I posted. As well, this reflects the same findings as the CDC charts I posted.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

My opinion is just that, an opinion as there is no way to definitively prove or disprove yet. And anyone claiming to know the "truth" is either lying or an idiot.

Be careful, didn't you get the memo that we are not allowed to have any indeterminate opinions on matters which we have no expertise about on Agriville anymore?
Forage farmer has been calling me all sorts of names when I suggest there isn't enough evidence to form an intractable opinion on any evolving topic. I trust he will be along shortly to harass you for daring to suggest the same.
Don't you know that we all need to be blind ideologues, 100% committed to our opinions, evidence be damned?
What a fun place this would be if we were all just like Chuck...

[TSIPP]

What I’d like to know is how many people die after the shot, it’s a big number that nobody talks about.

[dmlfarmer]

What I’d like to know is how many people die after the shot, it’s a big number that nobody talks about.

If you do not know how many have died after the shot, and if no one is talking about it, how do you know it is a big number? I knew personally 3 people who got Covid, ended up in hospital from it, and died. I know 2 more personally who ended up on a ventilator in hospital. I do not know of a single person who has died from the shot, much less know someone personally. Everyone in my extended family has been vaccinated and the worst was flu like sypmtoms for a day. Most just had a sore arm.

Canada has administered more than 62 Million vaccinations. Globally there has been 10.8 Billion vaccinations. Surely if the vaccine was a deadly as you seem to believe, there would have been a huge number of deaths, Where are all these big numbers of deaths you claim.

[TSIPP]

You’ve got to know someone that died a couple weeks after the clot shot, maybe you’re in denial!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

You’ve got to know someone that died a couple weeks after the clot shot, maybe you’re in denial!

I don't know anyone personally. But my next door neighbor called me very upset a few days ago. A young healthy 24-year-old got sick after his first and second dose and died of heart problems a couple of weeks after the second dose. That's now four people he knows of who have died shortly after being vaccinated.
And still the only person I know of who has died of Covid was almost a hundred.