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    Not about ethanol, but about how to deal with intermittent energy. Chuck likes models and reliable sources, so this should be approved.
    To paraphrase, the best location for wind and solar, Texas, would require 4 months storage to deal with wind droughts, or 8 months for solar alone. Now imagine what the numbers are up here where we get winter? Turns out the 3 months figure I've been using, was far too conservative.

    In a new modeling study in the journal Patterns, Lall and Columbia PhD student Yash Amonkar, show that solar and wind potential vary widely over days and weeks, not to mention months to years. They focused on Texas, which leads the country in generating electricity from wind power and is the fifth-largest solar producer. Texas also boasts a self-contained grid that's as big as many countries', said Lall, making it an ideal laboratory for charting the promise and peril of renewable energy systems.

    Drawing on 70 years of historic wind and solar-power data, the researchers built an AI model to predict the probability of a network-scale "drought," when daily production of renewables fell below a target threshold. Under a threshold set at the 30th percentile, when roughly a third of all days are low-production days, the researchers found that Texas could face a daily energy drought for up to four months straight.

    Batteries would be unable to compensate for a drought of this length, said Lall, and if the system relied on solar energy alone, the drought could be expected to last twice as long -- for eight months. "These findings suggest that energy planners will have to consider alternate ways of storing or generating electricity, or dramatically increasing the capacity of their renewable systems," he said.



    But let's keep converting farmland to solar, and block drilling for oil.
    Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Apr 17, 2022, 12:14.

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      It's a shell game. Sucker born every minute.

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        Originally posted by blackpowder View Post
        It's a shell game. Sucker born every minute.
        Can't agree with that.
        That would indicate they know the outcome.
        Every time it becomes obvious that their goals have zero chance of being achieved the double down with the same game plan.
        That revolves around killing oil and gas but no details on what replaces it in a totaly unrealistic time frame.

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          Canada already has 80 % of its electricity coming from low emitting sources. Fossil fuels are a small part of our national electricity supply.

          Alberta is leading the growth in renewables. They wont replace all fossil fuels for a long time. But the worlds energy supply is changing and electrification is well underway.

          Its a long process so don't worry that you will freeze in the dark.

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            Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
            Canada already has 80 % of its electricity coming from low emitting sources. Fossil fuels are a small part of our national electricity supply.

            Alberta is leading the growth in renewables. They wont replace all fossil fuels for a long time. But the worlds energy supply is changing and electrification is well underway.

            Its a long process so don't worry that you will freeze in the dark.
            Until carbon tax goes to $170 and natural gas becomes unaffordable to a lot .
            The world’s energy supply is changing , so why encourage more carbon tax for nothing ??
            Why ? , because it simply a wealth transfer scheme .

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              Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
              And what is a cheaper way to reduce carbon emmissions?
              So far, where ever the solar and wind route has been attempted, CO2 emissions have not been reduced. Due to many of the factors shtfrbrains mentioned above. At tremendous cost. Trillions have been spent, and there is nothing to show for it. The cost per unit of reduced CO2 is astronomical, even infinite, if you want to measure it your way.

              So, to answer your question, basically anything else would be a cheaper way to reduce CO2 emissions.
              Nuclear, natural gas, keep using existing coal plants, incentivize industries to move to where the electricity is produced efficiently and cleaner, instead of punishing them so they are forced to move to where it is dirtier.

              But, I thought it was a climate emergency, and now you think it is a time to be frugal about the solution? We only have a few years left to save the planet, and your worried about the cost?

              One other possibility, is that you could save on the second M when you type emissions, that in itself would add up, considering how often you post about this.

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                Clean green energy .....


                the other side of green tech like batteries for EV's.

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                  Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
                  Clean green energy .....


                  the other side of green tech like batteries for EV's.
                  yes the climate hyprocrites clearly dont care what happens in china

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                    And apparently the flat earthers don't care about what happens anywhere!

                    Did you not read my post # 12?

                    "China electric vehicle sales surged 154% last year, with Warren Buffett–backed BYD topping Tesla"

                    Plus China is the leading installer of renewable energy on the planet.

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                      Do you know what else China is the world leader in? Building new coal fired power generation.

                      They're planned new coal plants by 2025 would exceed all of the existing solar in the entire country.
                      Their fossil fuel generation already is eight times more than all of the solar and wind put together
                      So they can sell all the electric cars they want, and they will still be essentially all coal powered.
                      But in their case, they don't pretend that plant fertilizer is pollution. They are trying to reduce actual particulate pollution in urban areas.
                      So an electric car in a city powered by a coal fired power plant far away accomplishes that.

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                        Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                        And apparently the flat earthers don't care about what happens anywhere!

                        Did you not read my post # 12?

                        "China electric vehicle sales surged 154% last year, with Warren Buffett–backed BYD topping Tesla"

                        Plus China is the leading installer of renewable energy on the planet.
                        I care about the real story not told on green energy……

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                          Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
                          I care about the real story not told on green energy……
                          Isn't greenwashing an amazing technology?
                          Do all these terrible injustices to the environment in Asia or Africa. Permanently pollute the soil and water and the food supply. Poison and endanger the workers, release heavy metals. Huge open pit mines and tailing ponds.
                          Then ship the refined or finished product to the first world, and market it as environmentally friendly Green technology. Then the virtue signaling Earth muffins buy it all up while shaming, taxing and regulating to death the responsible clean local industries.

                          To unapologetically do all of this on the backs of Asians and Africans, then call the rest of us racists. Does that remind you of anyone on this forum?

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