Making ethanol from corn is the least efficient use of farmland

[chuckChuck]

Hamloc, I thought most conservatives were against subsidizing industries that are not efficient or competitive? I guess not.

[chuckChuck]

There is going to be a lot of investment and jobs in transitioning to a low carbon cleaner economy.

Canada juts announced investments yesterday in EV battery production and hybrid EVs.

We will still need fossil fuel for a while but those jobs are declining as the oil industry sheds workers because of automation and productivity gains.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

There is going to be a lot of investment and jobs in transitioning to a low carbon cleaner economy.

Canada juts announced investments yesterday in EV battery production and hybrid EVs.

We will still need fossil fuel for a while but those jobs are declining as the oil industry sheds workers because of automation and productivity gains.

Did they also announce investments in mining and processing the raw materials to make those batteries? And the associated relaxing of environmental, safety and labour laws to allow those industries to exist here?
Or are we still going to make sure that is done using child labour and processed in countries where environmental regulations are non existent?

[shtferbrains]

I don't understand your arguments here Chuck?
Why would these companies build all these plants if it wasn't the right thing to do?
Would Scott Moe or Jason Kenny approve them if they wern't good for everyone.
Fuel from food crops is good for the environment.
California is going to have most Fosil Fuels eliminated buy 2030.
They can't be wrong. It's all been studied or they wouldn't be doing it.

Those 2030 and 2050 targets must be met or we all melt.
We all have to do our part.
You shouldn't be questioning the mandates.
They have been approved.

Don't be trying to make logical arguments. Your not an environmental scientist.

[chuckChuck]

Did they also announce investments in mining and processing the raw materials to make those batteries? And the associated relaxing of environmental, safety and labour laws to allow those industries to exist here?
Or are we still going to make sure that is done using child labour and processed in countries where environmental regulations are non existent?

So we should lower our standards to those equivalent of the worst just to compete?

We have a lot of the resources and materials needed in Canada and the mining industry will want to take advantage of all those opportunities.

Of course they want less regulation because it increases their profit. That's a given.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I don't understand your arguments here Chuck?
Why would these companies build all these plants if it wasn't the right thing to do?
Would Scott Moe or Jason Kenny approve them if they wern't good for everyone.
Fuel from food crops is good for the environment.
California is going to have most Fosil Fuels eliminated buy 2030.
They can't be wrong. It's all been studied or they wouldn't be doing it.

Those 2030 and 2050 targets must be met or we all melt.
We all have to do our part.
You shouldn't be questioning the mandates.
They have been approved.

Don't be trying to make logical arguments. Your not an environmental scientist.

I vote this post for Make Chuck look like a hypocrite of the Year award.
Well played sir.

[chuckChuck]

Ethanol subsidies and mandates have been a big fat subsidy to agriculture in the US and a very ineffective climate change policy to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

But conservative "free market" farmers have their hands out and don't want them to end.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I'm sure that knowing the carbon footprint of the solar panels and wind turbines will be reassuring to the citizens of europe, specifically Germany when the oil and gas from Russia gets cut off and they get to live with whatever energy they can get from their renewables. In fact, the pleasant thought of saving the world from plant food maybe the only thing that keeps them warm at this rate.

[Guest]

I don't understand your arguments here Chuck?
Why would these companies build all these plants if it wasn't the right thing to do?
Would Scott Moe or Jason Kenny approve them if they wern't good for everyone.
Fuel from food crops is good for the environment.
California is going to have most Fosil Fuels eliminated buy 2030.
They can't be wrong. It's all been studied or they wouldn't be doing it.

Those 2030 and 2050 targets must be met or we all melt.
We all have to do our part.
You shouldn't be questioning the mandates.
They have been approved.

Don't be trying to make logical arguments. Your not an environmental scientist.

yes chucky , believe the science, you can't have it both ways

[seldomseen]

Dont need to. You can put them on roofs and marginal land. But the point of this article is that from an energy point of view ethanol is not a good choice and solar panels are a much better choice. Plus some types of agriculture can be integrated with solar panels.

Not sure that roof idea is the best Chuck

[shtferbrains]

Think about a commercially viable solar installation of say 800 acres with rows of panels spaced like they are down on the desert in the US.
Only here replacing our gas fired plants.

Where would all that snow go?
Maintenance cost might be some higher than on the desert.

They have large plants covering 20,000 acres there.

[LWeber]

Ethanol subsidies and mandates have been a big fat subsidy to agriculture in the US and a very ineffective climate change policy to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

But conservative "free market" farmers have their hands out and don't want them to end.

you ghost writing for DQ?